Libertarian Moral Psychology

by Will Wilkinson on March 11, 2010

Somehow I’ve failed to blog a result about libertarians in one of Jonathan Haidt’s recent papers (with Jesse Graham and Brian Nosek, 2009 — you can request a copy here) on the relationship between political ideology and his five foundations theory of moral sensibility and judgment. (You can read up on that here.)

So here’s some background on the study. Haidt et al have set up a number of online surveys to test their hypothesis about the foundations of moral judgment.  This one concerns a survey titled “Sacredness Survey: What Would You Do for a Million Dollars?”  During registration, participants reported their political identity. An unusually high number of self-identified libertarians (over 1000 out of a sample of a bit more than 8000) took this survey, so they were able to say something about how libertarian moral judgments differ from conservatives’ and liberals’.

The survey asks participants to do the following:

Try to imagine actually doing the following things, and indicate how much money someone would have to pay you (anonymously and secretly) to be willing to do each thing.

They go on to say that you should assume nothing bad will happen to you and that you can’t use the money to make up for your choice. The survey asks how much money someone would have to pay you to kick a dog in the head, renounce your citizenship, get a blood transfusion from a child molester, and so on. Participants were given these options: $0 (I’d do it for free), $10, $100, $1,000, $10,000, $100,000, a million dollars, and never for any amount of money.

All right? So Haidt et al found that the results supported their hypothesis about liberals and conservatives. Liberals care most about the Harm/care and Fairness/reciprocity foundations and accordingly largely refused to make trade-offs on the items that reflected these concerns, but were more willing to perform actions that violated the three “binding” foundations — Ingroup, Authority, and Purity. Conservative concern was spread more evenly over the five foundations, and they were less willing than liberals to violate Ingroup, Authority, and Purity for money.

What about libertarians? Here’s what they say:

Because we had a large sample of libertarians, who are usually ignored in political-psychological research, we compared their sacredness reactions to those of liberals and conservatives. Overall, libertarians showed less refusal to violate the five foundations for money that did liberals or conservatives. Each of the five average never scores for libertarians was lower than the corresponding score for conservatives, and each was lower than the corresponding concern for liberals.

Further down they report:

A further novel finding of the present study was that libertarians had the lowest sacredness scores on all five foundations. This finding supports Tetlock’s predictions [see here] that free-market libertarians would be the least outraged and most open to contractualizing moral violations. The differences were particularly stark between libertarians and conservatives on the three binding foundations. Libertarians may support the Republican Party for economic reasons, but in their moral foundations profile we found they more closely resemble liberals than conservatives. [Emphasis added]

This supports what I’ve been saying for a while now: libertarians are liberals who like markets.

An interesting feature of the Sacredness Survey is that the set-up seems to assume that Purity/sanctity dimension is recruited to reinforce the other dimensions of the moral sense. When we come to find it disgusting to, say, kick a dog in the head, we’re using the Purity/sanctity foundation to amplify the force of our Harm/care judgments.  It stands to reason that those with the least tendency to make judgments on the basis of the Purity/sanctity responses would also be least likely to find it intolerably profane  to bring moral considerations into the cash nexus.

  • MikeSchilling
    Libertarians are people who worship markets, and thus are happy to rationalize any market-based outcome, no matter how manifestly unjust. They also have complete faith in greed as the sole driver of human society, to the point of insisting that a libertarian society could not also be racist, because racism is economically suboptimal. But mostly, libertarians are people who deny that they're Republicans, even while repeating GOP talking points.
  • NathanS
    So the fact that free borders would dramatically improve social welfare of the world in comparison to say the locked up xenophobic social democracies of Europe means nothing? Interesting world view.
  • Richard Leon
    In case you haven't noticed, Europe actually does have free borders internally. You might want to look up the Schengen Treaty.

    Has Schengen dramatically improved internal welfare? Practically, it's made it possible for employers to use cheap non-local labour to lower local wages.

    If populations are moving towards xenophobia, it's in part for the entirely rational reason that an influx of outsiders depresses economic opportunities.

    Like most libertarian fantasies, the result isn't improved welfare for all but very selective gains for some and a race to the bottom for everyone else.

    Because libertarians have no empathic abilities, they're literally unable to see this - not just unable to understand it, but unable to accept its existence as an economic and political reality.

    Where left liberals see the reality of poverty and its consequences, libertarians see a few people getting rich and believe this means everyone is happier.

    Libertarians seem to have a lot in common with those 30s-style Marxists who refused to believe in the realities of Stalinist socialism - because the consolations of a utopian ideology so much more real to them than the experiences of the people who were living through something very different.

    Not that this is in any way a surprise. It's pretty much a given that if you have severely limited empathy and a tendency to systematise, idealised intellectual fantasy is always going to have more of a hold on you than other people's real experiences.
  • NathanS
    When someone uses the term "race to the bottom" you can be assured they are just making shit up.
  • uknowbetter
    Not interesting at all, it's just ignorant.
  • RW
    Libertarianism is simply narcissism, wrapped up in a political bow. On the politcal spectrum, it's conservatism's amoral spiritual cousin.
  • Miko
    While getting enough data for it would be near impossible, I'd be interested in seeing a comparison of left-libertarianism (i.e., a view of property rights with some sort of equal use criteria on natural resources and/or cultural support for traditional left issues such as pro-union, pro-immigrant, pro-feminist, etc.) and right-libertarianism. Taking the test via one of the links in the original post (but not the same version as in the paper), I (as a left-libertarian) scored significantly higher than liberals on the harm standard, between liberals and conservatives on fairness and loyalty, and approximately zero on authority and purity. I would be very surprised if a right-libertarian had a similar profile, and based on the quoted results I suspect that the majority of the libertarians in the study were really right-libertarians.
  • Jon
    Libertarians are liberals who don't believe in forcing other people to be like them.

    That is the whole of it. All else flows from that.
  • Joshua
    I think the word Liberal is overdefined. It means too many things these days for me to use it. I agree that libertarians have a heightened sense of personal freedom. Markets, for those who choose to participate in them, are a natural outflow of the belief that individuals should be free to conduct exchanges with other individuals.
  • Samuelson liked to say that you could arrive at libertarianism by starting with liberalism and taking the limit as common sense went to zero. Samuelson's quip is probably an adaptation of "an anarchist is merely the limiting case of a liberal individualist whose commonsense has become infinitesimal" [Gray, Alexander. 1968. The Socialist Tradition: Moses to Lenin. New York: Harper, p. 246]
  • kurtanderson
    Moving from the theoretical to the practical, can anyone cite an historical libertarian system that has worked? Say, involving a society or country of at least 10 million persons and lasting more than a century? Tough criteria, but routinely exceeded by most other forms of government or social organization.
  • I really do think that the "market-hating democrat" is *something* of a straw man--at least among democratic politicians.

    There are certainly some who simply don't understand (or seemingly want to understand) economics, and blather on embarrassingly in their ignorance.

    But that's really not true of the Democratic leadership. While they often use populist etc. rhetoric that flies in the face of good economics, I would suggest that they all agree that markets, commerce, and economic growth are the most powerful forces driving long-term prosperity and well-being.

    This raises a question that I've asked of Bryan Caplan a couple of times: who thinks more like economists--Pubs or Dems, Libs or Cons.

    I find it kind of remarkable that he skirts right by that question in The Myth of the Rational Voter, even though he clearly had the information to hand.

    Anybody else care to ask him?
  • rovingbandit
    Actually LIBERALS are liberals who like markets. You Americans just have your terminology wrong. People who don't like markets are called socialists.
  • Butler T. Reynolds
    Or perhaps we should instead think of liberals as libertarians who either hate or are clueless about markets, or both.
  • Retief
    >libertarians are liberals who like markets.

    I think you'll find we call those folks the DLC, or "Democrats."
  • Mommsen1625
    Well, the DLC supports the rather silly assault weapons ban, Democrats are heavy into subsidies for corporations (look at the ethanol scam that the Obama administration supports), etc. If that is "liking markets," well, I'd hate to see what disliking markets looks like.
  • Oh thank you, Retief. Beautifully and succinctly put. I wish you'd posted earlier, I could have save myself so many words...
  • jhaidt has pre-empted me in post-empting Will's best-possible-light spin job.

    A libertarian is a liberal without compassion or empathy.
  • Steve, I think Jon would insist that "less" means something very different from "without".
  • >Steve, I think Jon would insist that "less" means something very different from "without".

    Point well taken.
  • Morally, perhaps "libertarians are liberals who like markets."

    But I suspect that libertarians are more similar to conservatives in their refusal to immanentize the eschaton. And that belief in the imperfectibility of the world (even if conservatives believe in a perfectibility in another) is part of what leads them and conservatives to accept markets.
  • I would be concerned about interpreting this as saying anything about "Libertarians," since what we're really talking about here is an apparently non-random sample of people who took this particular survey and self-identify as Libertarians. The problem is, at least among the ones I've met, Libertarians are very heterogenous in terms of their underlying beliefs, moreso than Liberals or Conservatives- some Libertarians are right wingers who are too contrarian to support an organized party, some just want marijuana to be legal and don't much care about anything else, some are people who have a very powerful mistrust of any kind of authority, etc. Others are very thoughtful people who have arrived at Libertarianism as an intellectual conviction, and I would suspect they are disproportionately the ones you would find filling out internet surveys.

    So, maybe it would make more sense to be talking about this less as how Libertarians "are" compared to Liberals or Conservatives, and more about describing a particular set of beliefs that leads certain people to adopt Libertarian views?

    Nonetheless, very interesting stuff.
  • jhaidt
    Will:
    Great post, great use of our findings. We actually had a lot more information on libertarians in the original draft, but the editor asked us to cut it, thought it wasn't important enough, wanted us to focus on liberal conservative differences. So now we're writing a paper comparing libertarians to liberals and conservatives on dozens of scales, and finding so many interesting things. Here's a preview: Libertarians are liberals who lack bleeding hearts. Libertarians look much more like liberals than like conservatives on most measures, EXCEPT those that have anything to do with compassion, on which libertarians are lower than liberals AND conservatives. The lower levels of compassion, and higher levels of need for cognition and tendency to "systemize" rather than empathize, are probably related to the love of markets.

    Thanks again,
    Jon Haidt
  • NeedleFactory
    Let's grant that libertarians "appear" to have less compassion than liberals and conservatives. It can be argued: due to their higher systemizing and their more sophisticated understanding of economics (markets, time preference), libertarians are more willing to apply "hard love" in the present because it produces better (more compassionate) results for society in future.

    The difference between taking the long view and taking the short view leads to differences in philosophy and behavior. I suspect that liberals take a shorter view than conservatives.
  • Nimed
    Your argument ignores Haidt's operational definition of harm and compassion. When you kick the dog in the head, you "can’t use the money to make up for your choice". Short term/long term considerations are absent.

    Generally, while your suspicion sounds just a bit too much like a self-serving rationalization, there may indeed be a difference in willingness to sacrifice for greater long-run rewards. But, in the case of conservatives at least, I don't see how you could plausibly link such cognitive difference with the different scores in the purity, authority and loyalty dimensions.
  • NathanS
    I don't think conservative necessarily rationally think these things out loud, but unquestionably conservative policies are far better for society in the long run.

    In a perfect world Democrats/Progressives (I don't like using the word liberal for reasons Will has stated) would collect the sum of societies wealth and pass it out among everyone. This policy is great if the world is ending in 2 days. Pretty awful as your time horizon increases.

    One can argue the memes that have arisen in things like religion unconsciously support long run policies. Memes like war spread as long as they efficiently stamp out all competition. When comparing two nations over the long term one who fights constantly and one who is peaceful, the peaceful one will have much greater long term wealth.

    In general I see most libertarians maximizing long term wealth and welfare.
  • Jon, Thanks! Fascinating stuff. I'd love to talk with you about this some time.
  • Nimed
    Mr. Haidt, I appreciate your politeness, so I'll just go ahead and say it for you - libertarians are liberal sociopaths.

    I bet they would kick that dog's head repeatedly for 10 bucks.
  • Nimed, "Less" does not mean "without." Liberals are less moved than conservatives are by feelings of in-group solidarity and outgroup hostility, but this does not begin to imply that liberals have no sense of loyalty.

    What part of your sensibility do you think explains your eagerness to malign libertarians?
  • Nimed
    What part of your sensibility do you think explains your eagerness to malign libertarians?

    An awful sense of humor?

    In all seriousness, I apologize. I was relying on the accusation of sociopathy to be self-evidently absurd. It's clear that your frequently expressed views on the Iraq War, which are shared by a large number of libertarians, could hardly come from individuals with a dulled sense of compassion.

    In light of Jon Haidt's research, I can't resist suggesting an emblematic figure for the liberaltarian project - Judas Iscariot.

    Think about it:
    Weak sense of loyalty - check
    "Contractualizing" moral violation (30 pieces of silver) - check
    Compassion, expressed through guilt, regret and a fig tree - check

    One the plus side, there's the instant recognition. Who hasn't heard of good ol' Judas? The bad news is that he has somewhat of a bad rep, so a bit of revisionism and P.R. may be in order.

    Kidding!
  • Joshua
    I've always thought of Judas as unsung hero. There could be no crucifixion without Judas. A devout friend of mine suggested that Judas' biggest failing was not betrayal, but a lack of belief in the forgiveness of Christ.
  • Mommsen1625
    Lack compassion in general or lack compassion about the things that liberals or conservatives have compassion about? Because libertarians are highly compassionate towards victims of state violence (more so than liberals or conservatives, who seem to vary on that subject depending on the policy behind that violence), just as an example.
  • Slap the Enlightened!
    So, what you've found is that what libertarianism essentially amounts to is the political expression of autism.

    I think a lot of people could have told you that without a study.
  • Taking for granted that you don't intend "autism" to refer to something bad, you should check out Tyler Cowen's chapter on "autistic politics" in his book Create Your Own Economy.
  • It just so happens that that is (the only book) lying open on my desk at this moment--open, in fact, to that very chapter. Your reference to it inspires me to formulate the response that has been taking shape in my head--a response both to it, and to this post. Anon.
  • Mommsen1625
    "This supports what I’ve been saying for a while now: libertarians are liberals who like markets."

    But then again we're not. Seems like it depends on what one emphasizes.
  • "This supports what I’ve been saying for a while now: libertarians are liberals who like markets."

    Several times I have directed Liberty Fund colloquia on Herman Melville's Billy Budd. That's the one in which Capt. Vere executes Billy for murder, even though he is convinced that Billy is from a purely moral (not legal) point of view is innocent, and does so mainly because he fears that, if he did not, the ship's crew would mutiny. At the end I go around the table and ask each of the 18 conference participants whether they would have executed Billy or not. Fairly consistently, conservatives hang him and liberals and libertarians do not. So consistent is it, that when I find a person who violates the pattern, I consider reclassifying them.

    (BTW -- I don't think I'm violating a confidence by saying this -- Megan MacArdle, who participated in my most recent conference, said she would have executed Billy.)
  • uknowbetter
    Have to re-read Billy Budd now. Been too long to remember the situation.

    Bet I don't hang him (although I'm the more executing type).
  • Miko
    For a current real-world example, look at the Harrington and McGhee case: conservatives by and large are suggesting that it's okay for the government to frame two (black) men for murder, while liberals and libertarians obviously think the opposite. As best as I can figure it, conservative legal theory seems to be about maintaining order at all costs, liberal legal theory seems to be about lifting up historically oppressed groups ("empathy"), and libertarian legal theory seems to be the closest to objective of the three. (Obama is on the pro-framing side of this case, so in this sense he appears to have an extremely conservative judicial philosophy, but his wavering on stopping the military tribunals at Gitmo suggests that it's tempered by a pragmatic desire to do whatever is most convenient politically.)
  • This is an area of libertarian thought that is troubling to me. On the one hand there is respect for the rule of law as a foundation for a free society. On the other hand there are terrible and oppressive laws that cause suffering and poverty. It seems that respecting both views is necessarily contradictory. Any pointers to essays or articles that discuss this subject? I'm interested to dig deeper.
  • Miko
    Respect for rule of law is more a conservative thing than a libertarian one. After all, a fair number of libertarians are also anarchists.
  • Lester, That's really interesting!
  • mikegiberson
    While some libertarians are "liberals who like markets" others are conservatives who have lost respect for tradition-based authority.
  • I think this is basically right, but I think libertarians aren't merely liberals who like markets. I think they also care about a different kind of "fairness" than left-liberals do.

    They recognize that fairness in economic terms involves being able to (largely) contol what you've earned, and to voluntarily trade, unimpeded, with others.
  • "This supports what I’ve been saying for a while now: libertarians are liberals who like markets."

    This seems true based on personal experience, and also includes a lot of libertarians who claim to be neo-conservatives, etc. due (I assume) to their strong feelings about markets and taxes. When questioned, these folks do actually have very powerful feelings about civil liberties violations, for example, but appear to believe that the U.S. is so enlightened and forward-thinking in that respect that there's no need to keep caring about it. In other words, they consider those personal-freedom issues 'solved', so feel free to self-identify with the conservative movement.
  • It'd be difficult to get a large enough sample, but I'd be interested in seeing in seeing if there is a difference in morality between Ron Paul-ish libertarians and so-called "cosmotarians." The former might support repealing laws against drug use and prostitution but would still be conservative in their demeanor and lifestyle.
  • epvh
    This is a subtle point that is often missed when people are discussing libertarians. Just because a libertarian says "I don't think pot should be against the law" doesn't meant that the libertarian wants to smoke pot. Another example being abortions, as a libertarian I don't want doctors to be forced to give abortions, not because I think that they are wrong, but simply because I don't think that the government should be telling a person how to run their business.

    Many libertarian positions are confused because it isn't a pro/anti bent it's a 'why should government even care?' bent.
  • CVD
    Which in turn demonstrates the logical end of mainstream libertarianism: a world in which you can have sex with anything you want as long as you pay 75% of your income to the state. Or: you can smoke medicinal marijuana as long as you pay for everyone's healthcare. This stuff writes itself, doesn't it?
  • I imagine most libertarians would consider that a very bad bargain. Have you met one?
  • CVD
    I think it's fair to say that I haven't met a libertarian who would admit this. However after at least 3 decades of libertarian activism of this sort, I think it's fair to conclude that this where mainstream libertarianism is headed.

    How much more do you need than three decades to see the results?
  • Mommsen1625
    Then mainstream libertarians will ultimately be very disappointed. Think of it this way, Europe, despite all of its pretensions, is not really a socially liberal place; European states have all manner of limits to speech, lifestyle choice, etc. that libertarians would find appalling. Yet Europe is the sort of high tax place that is generally thought of as being cosmopolitan.
  • liber______
    Nice to visit, wouldn't want to live there.
  • Mommsen1625
    A bunch. Just like I've met a slew of national security libertarians.
  • Nick Gellespie's piece from 2005, "Live Free and Die of Boredom" makes the cases that living in a cosmopolitan area is worth higher taxes and greater regulations. Obviously though, it's more nuanced than how CVD put it.

    http://reason.com/archives/2005/02/01/rant-live-free-and-die-of-bore
  • Slap the Enlightened!
    As a matter of fact, yes.
blog comments powered by Disqus

Previous post:

Next post: