Death by 41 Pricks

by Will Wilkinson on December 14, 2009

Ezra Klein takes a stand against the new party of death and its bosom pal, Joe Lieberman:

[T]he defeat of health-care reform will cost hundreds of thousands of lives. That’s not a particularly controversial statement. It relies on data from the Institute of Medicine and the Urban Institute, both of which are credible sources …

This is, I believe, the sound of desperation. Health-care reform does not live or die with the particular legislative monstrosity currently under consideration in the Senate. Are there not alternative reforms that would save even more lives? I’m sure Ezra agrees there are. So if the Senate Democrats’ suboptimal proposal is made law, shall we therefore lay the foregone QALYs at the feet of its advocates? Surely decency demands it! I do hope the Senate bill fails, if only to save Ezra from the shame of dirty hands.

I kid. Anyway, it’s hard to believe that this is “not a particularly controversial statement.” I see that my colleague Michael Cannon has compiled a list of studies that controvert it.

For example, a careful study by health economists Amy Finkelstein and Robin McKnight found that in its first 10 years, Medicare had no discernible impact on elderly mortality rates.  The authors hypothesize that prior to Medicare, seniors who lacked coverage largely got the care that they needed either by paying out of pocket or relying on public or private charity.  Whether Medicare had any impact on elderly mortality after its first 10 years remains an open question.

Or consider a study by Richard Kronick, a professor of family and preventive medicine at U.C.-San Diego and a former health policy adviser to the Clinton administration.  Kronick performed the largest-ever study on the health effects of being uninsured and concludes that the IOM estimate “is almost certainly incorrect.”  Kronick concludes that “the best available evidence” suggests “there would not be much change in the number of deaths in the United States as a result of universal coverage.”

How can that be, when Ezra Klein finds his own argument so “intuitive“?  Kronick admits “it is not clear” why the data produce such a counterintuitive result, but posits that existing channels “may provide ‘good enough’ access to care for the uninsured to keep their mortality rate similar to that of the insured.”

Economists Helen Levy of the University of Michigan and David Meltzer of the University of Chicago surveyed the entire economics literature on the connection between health insurance and health.  They conclude, “The central question of how health insurance affects health, for whom it matters, and how much, remains largely unanswered at the level of detail needed to inform policy decisions.”

So there’s that.

Yglesias is flipping out, too.

[Added: Yglesias replies to Cannon. Cannon replies right back. Not particularly controversial, you see. Enjoy.]

  • Retief
    existing channels “may provide ‘good enough’ access to care for the uninsured to keep their mortality rate similar to that of the insured.”

    So you're not against people getting treatment, you just want it to happen in emergency rooms, in the most expensive, least efficient way possible. Got it.
  • I find it interesting that Matt Yglesias considers himself an expert in a number of areas; he blogs on politics, social issues, economics, health care.... Yglesias is either a jack of all trades, or a complete ignoramus. I lean towards the latter.
  • I think the relevant question here is what Lieberman believes. If Lieberman believes that people will die if we don't pass this health care bill or something like it, then it would be pretty barbaric for him to vote against it just to get back at liberals. I think Lieberman is one of those people who determines his entire ideology by being a centrist. I don't know if this is for attention or if he just finds it easy to convince himself to be in the middle politically. Either way it isn't morally defensible. There is a difference between opposing legislation for principled reasons and doing without regard for its effect on people. The thing the Yglesias and Klein underestimate is the extent to which the 'good guys' are doing the same thing. Does Obama really care about the people this legislation will effect or he mostly in it for the glory? How could we possibly know?
  • Matt really is flipping out; he even accuses Cannon of good faith!
  • Paul Zrimsek
    It's never pleasant when wonks start screeching.
  • Regarding Ezra's subsequent post here: http://bit.ly/7ns5lZ

    My friend @ClaytonWagar asked: "I'm sorry, is Ezra Klein saying that 1) With the health care bill there will be zero 'excess deaths' in the United States, or is he saying that 2) $6.2M per person is a reasonable number to spend to make this a reality?"

    There are always alternatives, just not ones he's interested in discussing.
  • There are theoretical alternatives and then there are those that actually, pragmatically have a chance to come to fruition. The Republican party has not been exactly forthcoming or particularly aggressive about championing a pragmatic, alternative to the Dem plan. Healthcare reform, theoretically, could live another day, in a meaningful way, sure, no one is preventing the Congress to never, ever try this thing again. But politicall, realitstically? That's another story.
  • I don't disagree on the Republican failure to champion good ideas. I think most Republicans and most Democrats fail to understand the realities of health care policy and are uncomfortable discussing it.
  • But, Will, those others aren't "credible" sources.

    "Credible sources" just means sources that Ezra Klein is inclined to believe. Other sources have unreliable bourgeois data.
  • y81
    Close, but not quite. Klein isn't a Marxist. He represents a class of people--there are lots of them on the Upper West Side where I live--with the following characteristics:
    1. They aren't that good with numbers (as in their verbal SAT scores would have been higher than their math scores), and that doesn't trouble them.
    2. A big part of their self-image is that their opinions are based on "science," not religion like the nuts in flyover country.
    3. They learned from an early age (maybe from reading people like Leon Wieseltier) to apply the language of moral seriousness to almost every issue. (This is the opposite of the WASP/preppie approach, which requires that extreme irony and cynicism be applied to every issue.)

    Thus you see that actual studies, regression analyses, correlation coefficients etc. are kind of irrelevant. Klein's entire self-image is wrapped up in the belief that his political opinions are scientifically based and of the utmost moral gravity. He doesn't know any other language in which he could express himself.
  • Do you read Klein y81? I take you aren't a liberal, which is fine, so if you aren't, it's not surprising that you wouldn't agree with him. However, this comment is an awfully stereotypical and dismmissive view.
  • y81
    I don't read blogs by people without graduate degrees. Except Kevin Drum. And I prefer my stereotypical and dismissive views to Klein's smarmy moralism. YMMV.
  • I guess that means you miss out on Julian Sanchez's blog too - I don't think he has a graduate degree. Too bad.
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