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Or are you asserting that we should have the right to make Mexico's government do whatever we want (since we outpopulate them by a significant margin and thus would dominate them in any democratic vote), in a hypothetical world where the US and Mexico were the only two countries in existence? Is that “philosophically satisfying” to you?

Great. Then a conservative immigration policy is justified because the system, as a whole, leads to a relatively ethnically homogeneous and high human capital population that promises long term political stability, functional institutions, high levels of social trust and altruism, low corruption, low levels of fear and predatory criminal behavior, lower inequality, and high standards of living.

The United States and Canada have much higher standards of living than the racially mixed/ethnically heterogeneous Spanish and Portuguese descendant nations south of Texas. Importing the people of those nations is importing the social characteristics, lower human capital, and lower standard of living of those nations.

Free movement of labor is fine given that there is a high degree of confidence that the itinerants leave when they are supposed to, and have a poor prospect to gain permanent citizenship for themselves and their children (and its attendant access to voting rights and social services).

Porous immigration means a relatively small number of immigrants and their descendants benefit from the higher standard of living here at the expense of the living standards of the native population and their descendants.

Tighter immigration means a relatively large number of world citizens and their descendants benefit from the higher world living standards that stem from the higher living standards of our native population and their descendants. This means a greater export of wealth, technology, science, culture, and ideas that benefit both the nation and the entire world than if our nation had lower human capital, less functional institutions, more civil strife, and lower economic development.

Take your Iraq bombing example. Yes, following the logic to its conclusion, we need to ask Iraq before we bomb them. But following logic even more to its conclusion, we just shouldn't bomb them! Killing other people is wrong.

We're not peaceniks, so we accept that wars are still necessary in our world. What's really going on here is that “universal human rights” only have legal purchase in a world where there is a global government with a monopoly on the use of force. (At least I don't immediate see another way to obtain enforced universal human rights).

In such a hypothetical world, the US and Iraq [under Saddam, say] are like two citizens (or organizations, or sub-states in a federal regime) that want to kill each other. Well, no, you can't do that! It's against the law!

If there isn't a sufficiently strong central government then it doesn't matter what's against the law or not. So what this all comes down to is that these human rights are real moral considerations but they have no effective force in a world without deep global political coordination.

Thus, the libertarian argument for world governance. Ta-da!

Exactly. So if we redefine the question of relevant popular sovereignty to include allll people who are touched by the ramifications of a particular policy then the people of Iraq should have some hand in shaping American politics should they not? China should be shaping financial reform… well…

In any event when you frame immigration as an issue of human rights you end up with a good deal of unintended ( I assume ) silliness. It doesn't hold.

Apparently you are unfazed by the results of last EU parliamentary election. If even the Europeans are fed up with the EU-style system, why would we want it here?

Let's make a deal Will:

I favor something called a head tax. This is a tax that is levied on every conceivable taxpayer, let's say starting with the age of 16 and ending at the age of 70. Between the prime working years of 20 and 65 each person is required to pay, above and beyond current taxes, a flat rate of $5000/yr to reside in the US and to receive the protection of US law. Anyone unable or unwilling to pay, in full or part, this fee will be required to work for the government at a flat rate of $10/hr to make up the balance. This policy not only addresses the issue of non-citizen non-contribution but also of citizen non-contribution, which is currently a grave threat to the republic. The basis of political organization is general reciprocity, and the answer to your “tribalism” jab is to take away rights from currently existing putative citizens on the basis on non-contribution. How you like them apples? I can take the same premise as you and strip even current residents of the franchise.

The problem is that different forms of life, including the human forms, have their own peculiar brands of justice and morality, and that often the epitome of justice to one is the epitome of injustice to that other. At that point, justice is simply what you can force down someone else's throat.

Obviously asking the Japanese voters what they thought was where one wants to take Arash Abizadeh's argument, but how does one draw the line? The standard answer is citizenship: I am profoundly sceptical there is any better answer.

And to return to what gives one the right to have a say, consumer sovereignty comes from “putting your money where your mouth is”. You get a say because you give something. Citizenship is at least the minimal implicit “giving” of living in the community, either by being born and raised there or by living there for the set period and swearing public allegiance. Having a say without anything to back it up at all except “I would like the decision to be different” is a massive devaluing of citizenship and the concept of a shared polity.

National defense is surely a public good too. Except defense is a little more subtle. Why do I care if someone sacks Washington and plants a new flag? Well, I probably care because the new management might make some big changes that might screw me over. Or they might kill me. Or they might fight a bloody war in my backyard. Or they might take over the military apparatus and go nuts with it. So that's all very bad. I want some stability in my life. So, I don't want invaders.

But I think that is a pragmatic consideration. I don't think the willingness to fight for a particular public-goods provider need morally be considered part of the compact between citizen and state. It's just that war in your backyard really, really, really sucks.

The citizen/state relationship could be as simple as “I'll give you some money to provide public goods, you do that.” Plus public deliberation.

And why 'a guest-worker program as a temporary solution until the establishment of a common North American labor market'. Why perpetually favor Mexicans, when allowing Somalis or Haitians would raise migrants' income much more drastically?

We won't even mention the disparate growth rates that might also factor into a different decision when considering the impact of unrestricted movement. (Mexican population growth rate: 1.14% Romanian: 0.14%)

No, I'm sure it's just that Europeans are cosmopolitan and accepting while Americans are racist boors.

This is why these sorts of discussions always leave me cold: they're not really good-faith discussions. Anyone who disagrees with open-borders between the US and Mexico is branded a racist through questionable use of facts at best.