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		<title>By: uknowbetter</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/05/28/the-sotomayor-reflex/comment-page-2/#comment-591048</link>
		<dc:creator>uknowbetter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you expect them to praise a quote like that?  Racialism is getting ridiculous.</description>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/05/28/the-sotomayor-reflex/comment-page-2/#comment-591026</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 01:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, their formula includes using that quote in very predictable ways.</description>
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		<title>By: uknowbetter</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/05/28/the-sotomayor-reflex/comment-page-2/#comment-591012</link>
		<dc:creator>uknowbetter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 19:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, their formula includes having her say a very dubious quote years ago.</description>
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		<title>By: Igormarxo</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/05/28/the-sotomayor-reflex/comment-page-2/#comment-591000</link>
		<dc:creator>Igormarxo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 18:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How you tell when politician lie?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Comrade Pelosi blink&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Slick Willy rub nose&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Comrade Oboma open mouth&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Dumb Donkey Gibbs laugh...Hehaw..he..haw..he..haw!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I Igor produce Barrack Milhaus Hussein Obama Birth Certificate at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.igormarxo.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.igormaro.org&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How you tell when politician lie?</p>
<p>Comrade Pelosi blink</p>
<p>Slick Willy rub nose</p>
<p>Comrade Oboma open mouth</p>
<p>Dumb Donkey Gibbs laugh&#8230;Hehaw..he..haw..he..haw!</p>
<p>I Igor produce Barrack Milhaus Hussein Obama Birth Certificate at <a href="http://www.igormarxo.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.igormaro.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/05/28/the-sotomayor-reflex/comment-page-2/#comment-590999</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 17:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But, more to the point, I took Will to be commenting on the kind of crass and predictable spectacle that the nomination has cause, with Republican opinion leaders behaving as boorishly and viscerally as Democrats did when Justice Alito was nominated. I too hate this kind of grubby, circus electoral politics.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is essentially what I grabbed from the post as well. It&#039;s not that criticism of Sotomayor is unwarranted, but the Republican response is so formulaic that I feel like I could preempt their comments much in the same way I can recite lines from Clueless before each scene.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The difference being that I thoroughly enjoy watching Clueless, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But, more to the point, I took Will to be commenting on the kind of crass and predictable spectacle that the nomination has cause, with Republican opinion leaders behaving as boorishly and viscerally as Democrats did when Justice Alito was nominated. I too hate this kind of grubby, circus electoral politics.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is essentially what I grabbed from the post as well. It&#39;s not that criticism of Sotomayor is unwarranted, but the Republican response is so formulaic that I feel like I could preempt their comments much in the same way I can recite lines from Clueless before each scene.</p>
<p>The difference being that I thoroughly enjoy watching Clueless, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: A Liberatarian View on The Reaction To Sotomayor - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/05/28/the-sotomayor-reflex/comment-page-2/#comment-590993</link>
		<dc:creator>A Liberatarian View on The Reaction To Sotomayor - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 06:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Will Wilkinson on the reaction to Sonia Sotomayor [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/05/28/the-sotomayor-reflex/comment-page-2/#comment-590990</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 02:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And I really don’t get why many Republicans have taken this opportunity to reinforce the already widespread impression that they are morally odious morons.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Because they (Gingrich, Limbaugh, Hannity, Goldfarb, Tancredo, Liddy, etc) think that this sort of barely-disguised racism will benefit them personally by appealing to their intended audience.    (And if that crowd aren&#039;t vermin, they&#039;ve spent years perfecting the imitation.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And I really don’t get why many Republicans have taken this opportunity to reinforce the already widespread impression that they are morally odious morons.</i></p>
<p>Because they (Gingrich, Limbaugh, Hannity, Goldfarb, Tancredo, Liddy, etc) think that this sort of barely-disguised racism will benefit them personally by appealing to their intended audience.    (And if that crowd aren&#39;t vermin, they&#39;ve spent years perfecting the imitation.)</p>
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		<title>By: uknowbetter</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/05/28/the-sotomayor-reflex/comment-page-2/#comment-590988</link>
		<dc:creator>uknowbetter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 02:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not all that incensed about her.  Not any more than your typical brain-dead liberal.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But what I am incensed about is the crazy double standards that the MSM applies.  She would be roasted if she was white and said the same thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m not all that incensed about her.  Not any more than your typical brain-dead liberal.</p>
<p>But what I am incensed about is the crazy double standards that the MSM applies.  She would be roasted if she was white and said the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: R. Kevin Hill</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/05/28/the-sotomayor-reflex/comment-page-2/#comment-590987</link>
		<dc:creator>R. Kevin Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 01:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will and I agree, because we both believe that you can have democratic politics AND sane civility with a minimum of hysteria, hypocrisy and vindictiveness. Well, once upon a time you could.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will and I agree, because we both believe that you can have democratic politics AND sane civility with a minimum of hysteria, hypocrisy and vindictiveness. Well, once upon a time you could.</p>
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		<title>By: R. Kevin Hill</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/05/28/the-sotomayor-reflex/comment-page-2/#comment-590986</link>
		<dc:creator>R. Kevin Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 01:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Josh. Thanks for the appreciative nod. I actually haven&#039;t said a word about whether I approve her nomination or not (I do, but for reasons not yet broached by anyone). My only point is that she&#039;s a pretty mainstream non-activist liberal judge who gave a speech about being proud to be a Latina, which also doesn&#039;t make me lose sleep, except about the people who do. I have ideas about what the perfect justice would look like, but such nominees haven&#039;t been placed before me, and it would be quite complex to explain what they would be like (if someone wants to nominate Akhil Amar, that works for me, though it seems pretty unlikely--I want someone who is sensitive to classical liberal principle AND history). But my hazy impression of the past few decades is that absent such nominees a libertarian agenda is best served by an evenly divided court, with one or two with some libertarian impulses as swing votes. We&#039;ve had that to my satisfaction for some time now, so my biggest fear has been upsetting the balance. Since Stevens was the oldest, most likely to retire or die, that means a Dem nominee. That, among other reasons, was why I voted for Obama (you could call me an &quot;Andrew Sullivan Republican&quot; and I don&#039;t vote LP above the state level). When the conservatives on the court start aging out, all else being equal, I&#039;ll be willing to reconsider voting for a Republican for President again. For now, I&#039;m more worried about a shift in majority overturning Roe, Lawrence, Boumedienne, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Josh. Thanks for the appreciative nod. I actually haven&#39;t said a word about whether I approve her nomination or not (I do, but for reasons not yet broached by anyone). My only point is that she&#39;s a pretty mainstream non-activist liberal judge who gave a speech about being proud to be a Latina, which also doesn&#39;t make me lose sleep, except about the people who do. I have ideas about what the perfect justice would look like, but such nominees haven&#39;t been placed before me, and it would be quite complex to explain what they would be like (if someone wants to nominate Akhil Amar, that works for me, though it seems pretty unlikely&#8211;I want someone who is sensitive to classical liberal principle AND history). But my hazy impression of the past few decades is that absent such nominees a libertarian agenda is best served by an evenly divided court, with one or two with some libertarian impulses as swing votes. We&#39;ve had that to my satisfaction for some time now, so my biggest fear has been upsetting the balance. Since Stevens was the oldest, most likely to retire or die, that means a Dem nominee. That, among other reasons, was why I voted for Obama (you could call me an &#8220;Andrew Sullivan Republican&#8221; and I don&#39;t vote LP above the state level). When the conservatives on the court start aging out, all else being equal, I&#39;ll be willing to reconsider voting for a Republican for President again. For now, I&#39;m more worried about a shift in majority overturning Roe, Lawrence, Boumedienne, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: JoshuaHerring</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoshuaHerring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 22:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally someone discussing the merits of Sotomayer&#039;s decisions here rather than just calling namecallers names back.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As to the first issue - I find your discussion completely convincing, but I&#039;m not sure why this then doesn&#039;t go in the &quot;con&quot; column in deciding on her confirmation?  We&#039;re looking to confirm someone who shares our interpretation of the law as far as possible.  If this is an ambiguous case where it&#039;s not entirely clear what the right interpretation is, but what IS clear is that she doesn&#039;t share ours, then isn&#039;t that a reason to oppose confirmation? (All other things equal, of course - I get that you have to vote on the whole package, that there&#039;s no line-item confirmation, as it were...)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As to the Ricci case - I&#039;m right with you.  It&#039;s pretty clear to me too that the town was just trying to avoid litigation - who can blame them?  There&#039;s really no complaint against Sotomayer here - especially since it seems she&#039;s pretty consistent in denying pretty much all racial claims suits, regardless of the race of the plaintiff.  I have no idea what to think about Ricci - though I admit to a sneaking hope that the Supreme Court will use it to give us a rule that says that all that is required is that the testing authority make a good-faith effort to keep tests race-neutral, freeing us from a lot of ex post performance metric nonsense.  That Sotomayer passed the buck on this one is fair enough - but I dont&#039; think that makes it wrong of me to say that I would&#039;ve preferred it if she&#039;d gone ahead and set that precedent.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Nothing about your thoughtful commentary here, of course, changes the fact that Will&#039;s post is pretty useless.  Calling namecallers names is just more namecalling when commentary is what&#039;s actually required.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally someone discussing the merits of Sotomayer&#39;s decisions here rather than just calling namecallers names back.</p>
<p>As to the first issue &#8211; I find your discussion completely convincing, but I&#39;m not sure why this then doesn&#39;t go in the &#8220;con&#8221; column in deciding on her confirmation?  We&#39;re looking to confirm someone who shares our interpretation of the law as far as possible.  If this is an ambiguous case where it&#39;s not entirely clear what the right interpretation is, but what IS clear is that she doesn&#39;t share ours, then isn&#39;t that a reason to oppose confirmation? (All other things equal, of course &#8211; I get that you have to vote on the whole package, that there&#39;s no line-item confirmation, as it were&#8230;)</p>
<p>As to the Ricci case &#8211; I&#39;m right with you.  It&#39;s pretty clear to me too that the town was just trying to avoid litigation &#8211; who can blame them?  There&#39;s really no complaint against Sotomayer here &#8211; especially since it seems she&#39;s pretty consistent in denying pretty much all racial claims suits, regardless of the race of the plaintiff.  I have no idea what to think about Ricci &#8211; though I admit to a sneaking hope that the Supreme Court will use it to give us a rule that says that all that is required is that the testing authority make a good-faith effort to keep tests race-neutral, freeing us from a lot of ex post performance metric nonsense.  That Sotomayer passed the buck on this one is fair enough &#8211; but I dont&#39; think that makes it wrong of me to say that I would&#39;ve preferred it if she&#39;d gone ahead and set that precedent.</p>
<p>Nothing about your thoughtful commentary here, of course, changes the fact that Will&#39;s post is pretty useless.  Calling namecallers names is just more namecalling when commentary is what&#39;s actually required.</p>
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		<title>By: c3</title>
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		<dc:creator>c3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 21:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will;&lt;br&gt;&quot;God I hate politics&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So what is your preferred method of implementing policy?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And thanks for trying to nip the name calling in the bud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will;<br />&#8220;God I hate politics&#8221;</p>
<p>So what is your preferred method of implementing policy?</p>
<p>And thanks for trying to nip the name calling in the bud.</p>
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		<title>By: The Necessity of Being Anal &#171; Crazy Pills</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/05/28/the-sotomayor-reflex/comment-page-2/#comment-590977</link>
		<dc:creator>The Necessity of Being Anal &#171; Crazy Pills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 21:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a perfect world, I would side with Will Wilkinson on saying that I would prefer libertarian judicial activism. (Well actually not, in a 100% perfect [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mike Rappaport </title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/05/28/the-sotomayor-reflex/comment-page-2/#comment-590974</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Rappaport </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 16:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You say you are in favor libertarian activism.  I suppose that is because you like the results.  Let me ask you, as a starting question, do you believe the written content of the Constitution should affect the judges&#039; decisions?  In other words, does it matter whether that activism is authorized by the Constitution?  If it does, what limits does that place on such activism?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say you are in favor libertarian activism.  I suppose that is because you like the results.  Let me ask you, as a starting question, do you believe the written content of the Constitution should affect the judges&#39; decisions?  In other words, does it matter whether that activism is authorized by the Constitution?  If it does, what limits does that place on such activism?</p>
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		<title>By: R. Kevin Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>R. Kevin Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 14:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only cases that seem to be attracting lot of attention are Ricci, and Maloney. Maloney first, as I think it is easier. IMHO, the Second Amendment should be regarded as incorporated into the Fourteenth and applied against the states, following a Hugo Black-esque approach to incorporation. The logical way to do that would be to take the reasonable regulation approach in Heller and just follow that in state fact patterns. BUT to say that saying that it is settled law that the Second Amendment only applies to the federal government does not evince hostility to gun rights; it is a totally in bounds reasonable way to go. Now I do think that after Heller, there is a much stronger argument for incorporation, since most of what&#039;s incorporated are individual rights. But incorporation is a notoriously contested and murky area, and I don&#039;t think there has ever been any consensus about the right methodology for it. Hostility to Soto here is pure political preference, and though I share that preference, I don&#039;t see what there is to get all agitated about.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ricci is even less of a no-brainer. I have NO idea what one should do here on the Equal Protection claim. It seems to me that where this is going is that it may turn into a day of reckoning for disparate impact analysis under Title VII altogether. Absent the EP claim, it seems to me that the city engaged in perfectly legitimate avoidance of a disparate impact Title VII claim against them, in good faith, and that there&#039;s nothing special here from a statutory standpoint. But the EP claim may very well be a legitimate one. It seems that there is this broader history of conservative jurisprudence using equal protection to undo remedial efforts to combat racial discrimination, in the name of colorblindness, and so it is easy enough to see what justices informed entirely by political preferences would do here, and in terms of my own political preferences, I have long thought that the time has past where aggressive remedial efforts were needed (and disparate impact analyses under Title VII seem to me one of the more aggressive tools). But that&#039;s policy. What the better EP analysis should be, policy aside, is something I confess to being utterly mystified by now. I guess the question would be, do Title VII disparate impact suits meet or fail to meet strict scrutiny. I can see an argument for disparate impact being *necessary* to remedy part discrimination, and remedying discrimination being a compelling state interest (I don&#039;t think &quot;diversity&quot; is a compelling state interest). I don&#039;t know. These issues seem hard to me as *legal* matters, even if they seem pretty easy to me as matters of political preference. Which leads me back to the political debate: someone who says that these issues are *easy* is just pushing their preferences, with a hefty dollop of inappropriate sanctimony and indignation. So Will is right, though for the reasons I&#039;ve given.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only cases that seem to be attracting lot of attention are Ricci, and Maloney. Maloney first, as I think it is easier. IMHO, the Second Amendment should be regarded as incorporated into the Fourteenth and applied against the states, following a Hugo Black-esque approach to incorporation. The logical way to do that would be to take the reasonable regulation approach in Heller and just follow that in state fact patterns. BUT to say that saying that it is settled law that the Second Amendment only applies to the federal government does not evince hostility to gun rights; it is a totally in bounds reasonable way to go. Now I do think that after Heller, there is a much stronger argument for incorporation, since most of what&#39;s incorporated are individual rights. But incorporation is a notoriously contested and murky area, and I don&#39;t think there has ever been any consensus about the right methodology for it. Hostility to Soto here is pure political preference, and though I share that preference, I don&#39;t see what there is to get all agitated about.</p>
<p>Ricci is even less of a no-brainer. I have NO idea what one should do here on the Equal Protection claim. It seems to me that where this is going is that it may turn into a day of reckoning for disparate impact analysis under Title VII altogether. Absent the EP claim, it seems to me that the city engaged in perfectly legitimate avoidance of a disparate impact Title VII claim against them, in good faith, and that there&#39;s nothing special here from a statutory standpoint. But the EP claim may very well be a legitimate one. It seems that there is this broader history of conservative jurisprudence using equal protection to undo remedial efforts to combat racial discrimination, in the name of colorblindness, and so it is easy enough to see what justices informed entirely by political preferences would do here, and in terms of my own political preferences, I have long thought that the time has past where aggressive remedial efforts were needed (and disparate impact analyses under Title VII seem to me one of the more aggressive tools). But that&#39;s policy. What the better EP analysis should be, policy aside, is something I confess to being utterly mystified by now. I guess the question would be, do Title VII disparate impact suits meet or fail to meet strict scrutiny. I can see an argument for disparate impact being *necessary* to remedy part discrimination, and remedying discrimination being a compelling state interest (I don&#39;t think &#8220;diversity&#8221; is a compelling state interest). I don&#39;t know. These issues seem hard to me as *legal* matters, even if they seem pretty easy to me as matters of political preference. Which leads me back to the political debate: someone who says that these issues are *easy* is just pushing their preferences, with a hefty dollop of inappropriate sanctimony and indignation. So Will is right, though for the reasons I&#39;ve given.</p>
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