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	<title>Comments on: Outing Myself (from the Cannabis Closet)</title>
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		<title>By: kalll</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/04/03/outing-myself-from-the-cannabis-closet/comment-page-2/#comment-592485</link>
		<dc:creator>kalll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t really think marijuana legalization is necessary, those who want to smoke have plenty alternatives to get a legal high, one of them is &lt;a rel=&quot;follow&quot; href=&quot;http://www.enfotainer.com/tag/international-oddities/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;International Oddities&lt;/a&gt;, there are legal weed shops or legal herbs to smoke, why is marijuana that important after all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t really think marijuana legalization is necessary, those who want to smoke have plenty alternatives to get a legal high, one of them is <a rel="follow" href="http://www.enfotainer.com/tag/international-oddities/" rel="nofollow">International Oddities</a>, there are legal weed shops or legal herbs to smoke, why is marijuana that important after all?</p>
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		<title>By: Still in the Closet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Still in the Closet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 23:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a room with the window shades pulled tight, the doors locked, and the wallets emptied.  :-)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sorry. Couldn&#039;t resist. Also, I strongly recommend you find something else to occasionally do. Seriously.  I&#039;ve known many educated professionals who liked to occasionally snort blow. I can think of none who can say, &quot;And then I decided to try coke and it was a great decision.&quot; I can think of many who can say, &quot;And that&#039;s when I lost my job&quot; or &quot;packing up and moving to Florida at 2 a.m. seemed like a good idea&quot; or &quot;I&#039;ll never meet another like her,&quot; etc, etc. It&#039;s a very insidious substance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a room with the window shades pulled tight, the doors locked, and the wallets emptied.  <img src='http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Sorry. Couldn&#39;t resist. Also, I strongly recommend you find something else to occasionally do. Seriously.  I&#39;ve known many educated professionals who liked to occasionally snort blow. I can think of none who can say, &#8220;And then I decided to try coke and it was a great decision.&#8221; I can think of many who can say, &#8220;And that&#39;s when I lost my job&#8221; or &#8220;packing up and moving to Florida at 2 a.m. seemed like a good idea&#8221; or &#8220;I&#39;ll never meet another like her,&#8221; etc, etc. It&#39;s a very insidious substance.</p>
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		<title>By: bside</title>
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		<dc:creator>bside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 23:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t smoke pot. It makes me nervous. I&#039;m a short haired, well-educated knowledge worker. I&#039;m kind to children and animals. I&#039;m socially engaged and donate to charity. I occasionally like to do cocaine with my friends. Where do I start my movement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t smoke pot. It makes me nervous. I&#39;m a short haired, well-educated knowledge worker. I&#39;m kind to children and animals. I&#39;m socially engaged and donate to charity. I occasionally like to do cocaine with my friends. Where do I start my movement?</p>
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		<title>By: RichT</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/04/03/outing-myself-from-the-cannabis-closet/comment-page-2/#comment-589739</link>
		<dc:creator>RichT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 15:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually quite often when mature, educated professionals choose to smoke, they choose high quality herb and not Mexican schwag. Like when you choose to drink wine... I doubt you&#039;re drinking Nightrain or any other two dollar bottle of MD 20/20</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually quite often when mature, educated professionals choose to smoke, they choose high quality herb and not Mexican schwag. Like when you choose to drink wine&#8230; I doubt you&#39;re drinking Nightrain or any other two dollar bottle of MD 20/20</p>
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		<title>By: uknowbetter</title>
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		<dc:creator>uknowbetter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abortion...it&#039;s for the children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abortion&#8230;it&#39;s for the children.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/04/03/outing-myself-from-the-cannabis-closet/comment-page-2/#comment-589677</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 13:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there would be an age limit, but I don&#039;t think that would work as it doesn&#039;t work well with alcohol and tobacco.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And I think we should address underlying causes, but legalisation won&#039;t do that.  Rehabilitation and education might do that, but legalisation should only come after these things and not before, as if it comes before it will only exacerbate these problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there would be an age limit, but I don&#39;t think that would work as it doesn&#39;t work well with alcohol and tobacco.  </p>
<p>And I think we should address underlying causes, but legalisation won&#39;t do that.  Rehabilitation and education might do that, but legalisation should only come after these things and not before, as if it comes before it will only exacerbate these problems.</p>
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		<title>By: He.</title>
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		<dc:creator>He.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 12:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They would never say &quot;I still smoke pot, and I like it&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They would never say &#8220;I still smoke pot, and I like it&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: He.</title>
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		<dc:creator>He.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 04:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Just like Clinton, Bush&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And look what happened. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Just like Clinton, Bush&#8221;</p>
<p>And look what happened. <img src='http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/04/03/outing-myself-from-the-cannabis-closet/comment-page-2/#comment-589663</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 02:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed.  The worst thing about marijuana is stupid stoner culture.  Tie-dye and being lazy aren&#039;t going to convince anyone to change the drug laws.  It helps to have more educated, ambitious, &quot;square&quot; folks like yourself being open about their recreational chemical choices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.  The worst thing about marijuana is stupid stoner culture.  Tie-dye and being lazy aren&#39;t going to convince anyone to change the drug laws.  It helps to have more educated, ambitious, &#8220;square&#8221; folks like yourself being open about their recreational chemical choices.</p>
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		<title>By: TGGP</title>
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		<dc:creator>TGGP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 23:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If you use drugs, then you are not loyal to the establishment and its norms. You are prevented from getting into high positions.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;Just like Clinton, Bush &amp; Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If you use drugs, then you are not loyal to the establishment and its norms. You are prevented from getting into high positions.</i><br />Just like Clinton, Bush &#038; Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Six wonderful things you will want to read about &#171; A Fistful of Science</title>
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		<dc:creator>Six wonderful things you will want to read about &#171; A Fistful of Science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 22:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 6. Outing Myself (from the Cannabis Closet) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: He.</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/04/03/outing-myself-from-the-cannabis-closet/comment-page-1/#comment-589655</link>
		<dc:creator>He.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 20:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some children suffer. It&#039;s the price of freedom. Get over it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some children suffer. It&#39;s the price of freedom. Get over it.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 19:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the libertarians, such as Will, would disagree with you on the proper role of government, and the libertarian assumption is exactly that people should &quot;do whatever they want&quot;, at least so long as it&#039;s not harmful to others. Your &quot;think of the children&quot; argument also seems spurious. Who says that drugs won&#039;t be age-limited in the same way as alcohol and tobacco? In any case, I don&#039;t think a long sentence in the state penitentiary would do much for the &quot;hopelessness, apathy, frustration, and lack of social cohesion&quot; of a young black man arrested on a drug charge. And that&#039;s really one of the points of the drug legalization movement: that even if the government wants to prevent whatever evils drugs may cause, it would do best to address the underlying social problems and the direct harm of drugs, rather than have a blanket prohibition that causes as much harm as good, and often does so in a very discriminatory manner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the libertarians, such as Will, would disagree with you on the proper role of government, and the libertarian assumption is exactly that people should &#8220;do whatever they want&#8221;, at least so long as it&#39;s not harmful to others. Your &#8220;think of the children&#8221; argument also seems spurious. Who says that drugs won&#39;t be age-limited in the same way as alcohol and tobacco? In any case, I don&#39;t think a long sentence in the state penitentiary would do much for the &#8220;hopelessness, apathy, frustration, and lack of social cohesion&#8221; of a young black man arrested on a drug charge. And that&#39;s really one of the points of the drug legalization movement: that even if the government wants to prevent whatever evils drugs may cause, it would do best to address the underlying social problems and the direct harm of drugs, rather than have a blanket prohibition that causes as much harm as good, and often does so in a very discriminatory manner.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 18:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t smoke pot... but if pot were legalised then surely over a generation there would be an increase in use.  And an increase in use while not being that harmful medically (although the effects on the brain are debated) I think leads to generally socially undesirable results- especially among the young who are the most vulnerable.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;While some of us might think its ok for anyone to do whatever they want, aren&#039;t there still some secular values that the State can legitimately encourage?  Like environmentalism, citizenship, education etc etc? If we accept that the government has the right to regulate and control for the better good- which is what everyone in Europe is demanding is done with the banks, then maybe it is ok for the government to do the same with drugs.  Especially among the young who are the most vulnerable.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Heavy drinking is endemic amongst the under 18s anyway, and has alot of undesirable effects in the wider social sphere, and most people think we should encourage moderation.  So it is legitimate for a government to think of ways to encourage moderation.  Surely this should mean we must be even more cautious to allow yet another drug to flow around more freely, as the combined effects of alcohol and marijuana amongst the young might lead to even more strange social side effects and undesirable traits- I&#039;m keeping these vague as I think these are difficult to categorise.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;While alot of people here might seem happy with life, if alot of studies suggest that high drug use in the under 25s is often symptomatic of hopelessness, apathy, frustration, lack of social cohesion etc etc then surely these are the issues we should be looking at? If drug use is higher in poorer communities, or amongst &#039;disaffected&#039; black youth, or amongst the uneducated this might show that drug use itself is an indication of something else we might want to eliminate.    &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And even if one person or several claim they smoke pot because they like it and are healthy, wealthy and wise citizens, that is not really a sound basis for policy when alot of others might not be in their position?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t smoke pot&#8230; but if pot were legalised then surely over a generation there would be an increase in use.  And an increase in use while not being that harmful medically (although the effects on the brain are debated) I think leads to generally socially undesirable results- especially among the young who are the most vulnerable.  </p>
<p>While some of us might think its ok for anyone to do whatever they want, aren&#39;t there still some secular values that the State can legitimately encourage?  Like environmentalism, citizenship, education etc etc? If we accept that the government has the right to regulate and control for the better good- which is what everyone in Europe is demanding is done with the banks, then maybe it is ok for the government to do the same with drugs.  Especially among the young who are the most vulnerable.</p>
<p>Heavy drinking is endemic amongst the under 18s anyway, and has alot of undesirable effects in the wider social sphere, and most people think we should encourage moderation.  So it is legitimate for a government to think of ways to encourage moderation.  Surely this should mean we must be even more cautious to allow yet another drug to flow around more freely, as the combined effects of alcohol and marijuana amongst the young might lead to even more strange social side effects and undesirable traits- I&#39;m keeping these vague as I think these are difficult to categorise.</p>
<p>While alot of people here might seem happy with life, if alot of studies suggest that high drug use in the under 25s is often symptomatic of hopelessness, apathy, frustration, lack of social cohesion etc etc then surely these are the issues we should be looking at? If drug use is higher in poorer communities, or amongst &#39;disaffected&#39; black youth, or amongst the uneducated this might show that drug use itself is an indication of something else we might want to eliminate.    </p>
<p>And even if one person or several claim they smoke pot because they like it and are healthy, wealthy and wise citizens, that is not really a sound basis for policy when alot of others might not be in their position?</p>
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		<title>By: DrMichael75062</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrMichael75062</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 15:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with the present set of policies is the externalities, e.g. the terrible price Mexico is paying for their being such a profit in illegal drugs.   In a democracy, the tipping point for a change of policy is, theoretically, when a majority of voters think something should be changed.  This makes for a conservative in the sense of inertia biased system.  The liberal answer to this has been to change things in the courts.  Ideally there should some way to give the externalities a &#039;vote&#039; in a way that doesn&#039;t exist now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with the present set of policies is the externalities, e.g. the terrible price Mexico is paying for their being such a profit in illegal drugs.   In a democracy, the tipping point for a change of policy is, theoretically, when a majority of voters think something should be changed.  This makes for a conservative in the sense of inertia biased system.  The liberal answer to this has been to change things in the courts.  Ideally there should some way to give the externalities a &#39;vote&#39; in a way that doesn&#39;t exist now.</p>
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