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		<title>By: Ладушки.Net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Posts about Putin as of 03/04/2009</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ладушки.Net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Posts about Putin as of 03/04/2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 07:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] hard-wired so that Putin can see and hear everything&#8230; They will be talking about renewing   Are We Flirting with Fascism? - willwilkinson.net 03/31/2009 Folks are loose with ‘fascism’. The cops are fascists because [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] hard-wired so that Putin can see and hear everything&#8230; They will be talking about renewing   Are We Flirting with Fascism? &#8211; willwilkinson.net 03/31/2009 Folks are loose with ‘fascism’. The cops are fascists because [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Arjuna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arjuna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 04:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would the amount of money spent on lobbying in D.C. be a useful proxy for a measure of clientelism?  Why or why not?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If Rojas&#039; is correct that we should be concerned about government intervention in the economy insofar as it results in clientelism, how would we know whether or not we are becoming more or less clientelistic?  What concrete ways do we have for measuring this sort of thing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would the amount of money spent on lobbying in D.C. be a useful proxy for a measure of clientelism?  Why or why not?</p>
<p>If Rojas&#39; is correct that we should be concerned about government intervention in the economy insofar as it results in clientelism, how would we know whether or not we are becoming more or less clientelistic?  What concrete ways do we have for measuring this sort of thing?</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2009-04-01 &#171; Overton&#8217;s Arrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2009-04-01 &#171; Overton&#8217;s Arrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 00:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Are We Flirting with Fascism? I don&#039;t find the use of the &quot;F-word&quot; very useful. Like Megan McArdle, I feel it distracts away from what is actually going on, despite the fact that is may match the dictionary definition of fascism. But a lack of usefulness in debate doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s not true &#8230;. or becoming true. (tags: fascism Obama business government control) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Are We Flirting with Fascism? I don&#39;t find the use of the &quot;F-word&quot; very useful. Like Megan McArdle, I feel it distracts away from what is actually going on, despite the fact that is may match the dictionary definition of fascism. But a lack of usefulness in debate doesn&#39;t mean it&#39;s not true &#8230;. or becoming true. (tags: fascism Obama business government control) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: uknowbetter</title>
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		<dc:creator>uknowbetter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 21:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as they don&#039;t complain when they get blown up by a terrorist.  That&#039;s pretty much the only way they lose their jobs.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I loved the new AIG CEO complaining about doing the government a favor.  He should have told them to go F themselves.  Serves him right for being a government stooge.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I feel little sympathy for any bad things that happen to government employees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as they don&#39;t complain when they get blown up by a terrorist.  That&#39;s pretty much the only way they lose their jobs.</p>
<p>I loved the new AIG CEO complaining about doing the government a favor.  He should have told them to go F themselves.  Serves him right for being a government stooge.</p>
<p>I feel little sympathy for any bad things that happen to government employees.</p>
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		<title>By: sourcreamus</title>
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		<dc:creator>sourcreamus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 13:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happens to Ford when it finds itself competing against a GM with a bottomless pit of money behind it? It is going to be awfully hard for its executives to resist a drink from the government&#039;s free money fountain. How long before Congress starts to demand more fuel efficient vehicles and less SUVs? &lt;br&gt;We have flirting with economic fascism before and always pulled back. I think we will pull back again but early warnings like this one are very useful just in case.&lt;br&gt;My guess is that the Administration is going to throw 30 billion down a rat hole so they can say in 2012 they did all that they could.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happens to Ford when it finds itself competing against a GM with a bottomless pit of money behind it? It is going to be awfully hard for its executives to resist a drink from the government&#39;s free money fountain. How long before Congress starts to demand more fuel efficient vehicles and less SUVs? <br />We have flirting with economic fascism before and always pulled back. I think we will pull back again but early warnings like this one are very useful just in case.<br />My guess is that the Administration is going to throw 30 billion down a rat hole so they can say in 2012 they did all that they could.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/03/31/are-we-flirting-with-fascism/comment-page-1/#comment-589495</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 11:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone else hate--like, really hate--analogizing government intervention to a sporting event?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Barack Obama is not Randall Cunningham.  And for Christ&#039;s sake, the recession is more complicated than a cornerback blitz.  Rojas, and others who do this, just feed into the idea that the government can survey the situation, gain an omniscient awareness of what&#039;s happening, and then rationally choose the correct course of action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone else hate&#8211;like, really hate&#8211;analogizing government intervention to a sporting event?</p>
<p>Barack Obama is not Randall Cunningham.  And for Christ&#39;s sake, the recession is more complicated than a cornerback blitz.  Rojas, and others who do this, just feed into the idea that the government can survey the situation, gain an omniscient awareness of what&#39;s happening, and then rationally choose the correct course of action.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 11:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, it&#039;s looking like a better and better deal to work for the government (as an individual, not as a company).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think Radley Balko had a piece in reason on the exploding incomes around D.C.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, it&#39;s looking like a better and better deal to work for the government (as an individual, not as a company).</p>
<p>I think Radley Balko had a piece in reason on the exploding incomes around D.C.</p>
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		<title>By: LarryM</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/03/31/are-we-flirting-with-fascism/comment-page-1/#comment-589493</link>
		<dc:creator>LarryM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 11:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, sorry, I guess you just jumped the gun a day early on the April Fools post, my bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, sorry, I guess you just jumped the gun a day early on the April Fools post, my bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie's Farm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maggie's Farm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 09:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Weds. morning links...&lt;/strong&gt;

Here&#039;s a cruise I would enjoy
The pythons of the Everglades. Sheesh.
Sounds like a fine new Chaplin bio
What is it about American self-hatred? (I don&#039;t know - I don&#039;t have any of it.)
NY State once again attempts to drive people and business...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Weds. morning links&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a cruise I would enjoy<br />
The pythons of the Everglades. Sheesh.<br />
Sounds like a fine new Chaplin bio<br />
What is it about American self-hatred? (I don&#8217;t know &#8211; I don&#8217;t have any of it.)<br />
NY State once again attempts to drive people and business&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: LarryM</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/03/31/are-we-flirting-with-fascism/comment-page-1/#comment-589481</link>
		<dc:creator>LarryM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have officially jumped the shark.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Too bad, another fine mind ruined by insanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have officially jumped the shark.</p>
<p>Too bad, another fine mind ruined by insanity.</p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
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		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I side with those who have suggested that fascism is too closely associated with genocide to be a useful description of what is transpiring now . . .  the real problem is that people equate freedom with anarchy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I side with those who have suggested that fascism is too closely associated with genocide to be a useful description of what is transpiring now . . .  the real problem is that people equate freedom with anarchy.</p>
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		<title>By: lxm</title>
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		<dc:creator>lxm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 21:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to Simon Johnson writing in the Atlantic:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;But there’s a deeper and more disturbing similarity: elite business interests—financiers, in the case of the U.S.—played a central role in creating the crisis, making ever-larger gambles, with the implicit backing of the government, until the inevitable collapse. More alarming, they are now using their influence to prevent precisely the sorts of reforms that are needed, and fast, to pull the economy out of its nosedive. The government seems helpless, or unwilling, to act against them.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Is he right?  Is America all ready governed by an oligarchy.  Are we already a fascist, corporatist state?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You all are worried about Obama, yet the coup may have already occurred.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Where were you all anyway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Simon Johnson writing in the Atlantic:</p>
<p>&#8220;But there’s a deeper and more disturbing similarity: elite business interests—financiers, in the case of the U.S.—played a central role in creating the crisis, making ever-larger gambles, with the implicit backing of the government, until the inevitable collapse. More alarming, they are now using their influence to prevent precisely the sorts of reforms that are needed, and fast, to pull the economy out of its nosedive. The government seems helpless, or unwilling, to act against them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is he right?  Is America all ready governed by an oligarchy.  Are we already a fascist, corporatist state?</p>
<p>You all are worried about Obama, yet the coup may have already occurred.</p>
<p>Where were you all anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: Pithlord</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pithlord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don&#039;t get to use the word &quot;fascism&quot; as if nothing had happened in the world since 1925. Because stuff happened since 1925, stuff that changes the usage of the word. Similarly, if I walk around New York City with a swastika armband, people will not assume I&#039;m a student of ancient Sanskrit fertility symbols. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you don&#039;t like it, take it up with the guy who invented what we humans refer to as &quot;language&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#39;t get to use the word &#8220;fascism&#8221; as if nothing had happened in the world since 1925. Because stuff happened since 1925, stuff that changes the usage of the word. Similarly, if I walk around New York City with a swastika armband, people will not assume I&#39;m a student of ancient Sanskrit fertility symbols. </p>
<p>If you don&#39;t like it, take it up with the guy who invented what we humans refer to as &#8220;language&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FWIW, I think my comments above, though they may have rankled, are actually &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2009/03/words-of-wisdom.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;in line with Tyler Cowen:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;One thing I like about Bryan Caplan&#039;s book is an interpretation which he will probably hate.  The truly decisive actors are people directly in the political process.  Maybe the &quot;libertarians&quot; who are or have been in politics are not just &quot;sell outs.&quot;  Rather they are implementing the net-liberty-enhancing policies that a real libertarian would favor if he or she were truly a decisive agent.&lt;/blocquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW, I think my comments above, though they may have rankled, are actually <a href="http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2009/03/words-of-wisdom.html" rel="nofollow">in line with Tyler Cowen:</a></p>
<blockquote><p>One thing I like about Bryan Caplan&#39;s book is an interpretation which he will probably hate.  The truly decisive actors are people directly in the political process.  Maybe the &#8220;libertarians&#8221; who are or have been in politics are not just &#8220;sell outs.&#8221;  Rather they are implementing the net-liberty-enhancing policies that a real libertarian would favor if he or she were truly a decisive agent.&lt;/blocquote&gt;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Paul McMahon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul McMahon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>skylights, I suggest you study the history of U.S. Government intervention in the 20th century as an antidote to your optimism about these steps being &quot;short-term&quot;.  You could usefully start with Robert Higgs&#039; &lt;EM&gt;Crisis and Leviathan&lt;/EM&gt;, in which I believe he first coined the phrase &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://www.independent.org/blog/?p=1192&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; &quot;participatory fascism&quot; &lt;/A&gt;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Scare tactics, or vigilence?  Have you ever seen a government bureau declare its mission accomplished and disband?  Me neither, and somehow I doubt that the new Directorate of Recovery for Auto Communities will be the first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>skylights, I suggest you study the history of U.S. Government intervention in the 20th century as an antidote to your optimism about these steps being &#8220;short-term&#8221;.  You could usefully start with Robert Higgs&#39; <em>Crisis and Leviathan</em>, in which I believe he first coined the phrase <a HREF="http://www.independent.org/blog/?p=1192" rel="nofollow"> &#8220;participatory fascism&#8221; </a>.</p>
<p>Scare tactics, or vigilence?  Have you ever seen a government bureau declare its mission accomplished and disband?  Me neither, and somehow I doubt that the new Directorate of Recovery for Auto Communities will be the first.</p>
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