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	<title>Comments on: Let&#8217;s Keep Our Eye On the Ball</title>
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	<description>The Sweet Release of Reason</description>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/03/11/lets-keep-our-eye-on-the-ball/comment-page-1/#comment-588850</link>
		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, maybe I&#039;ve been reading different things (Calculated Risk, Barry Ritholtz&#039; Big Picture, Naked Capitalism).  They lead me to believe there is very much more in the offing (or quietly agreed between Treasury and the big banks), than the $700B TARP.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The continuing AIG bailouts, as one example, have been a channel to bank-like entities and banks overseas.  I see some trillion dollar shoes left to drop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, maybe I&#39;ve been reading different things (Calculated Risk, Barry Ritholtz&#39; Big Picture, Naked Capitalism).  They lead me to believe there is very much more in the offing (or quietly agreed between Treasury and the big banks), than the $700B TARP.</p>
<p>The continuing AIG bailouts, as one example, have been a channel to bank-like entities and banks overseas.  I see some trillion dollar shoes left to drop.</p>
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		<title>By: DWAnderson</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/03/11/lets-keep-our-eye-on-the-ball/comment-page-1/#comment-588839</link>
		<dc:creator>DWAnderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t really understand your metaphors, but I don&#039;t deny that there is deleveraging going on. I just deny that it is inherently a bad thing. There is less credit now because the prior level of lending was based on asset values (e.g. real estate and corporate assets) that have turned out to be out of whack with current views of the values of those assets. &lt;i&gt;That&lt;/i&gt; is the main reason there is less lending, not problems inherent in the banking system itself (at least not after $700 billion in TARP).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Of course, this is just my hypothesis, so I&#039;m interested in hearing contrary evidence. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I also don&#039;t claim that the banking system is perfect and in great shape, just that any problems it has are far less responsible for our current situation than a big change in asset values.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t really understand your metaphors, but I don&#39;t deny that there is deleveraging going on. I just deny that it is inherently a bad thing. There is less credit now because the prior level of lending was based on asset values (e.g. real estate and corporate assets) that have turned out to be out of whack with current views of the values of those assets. <i>That</i> is the main reason there is less lending, not problems inherent in the banking system itself (at least not after $700 billion in TARP).</p>
<p>Of course, this is just my hypothesis, so I&#39;m interested in hearing contrary evidence. </p>
<p>I also don&#39;t claim that the banking system is perfect and in great shape, just that any problems it has are far less responsible for our current situation than a big change in asset values.</p>
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		<title>By: alphie</title>
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		<dc:creator>alphie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>America elected Obama to do a lot of things, mk.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This latest wingnut talking point that he&#039;s &quot;doing too much&quot; is childish and ineffective.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Get on the bus!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America elected Obama to do a lot of things, mk.</p>
<p>This latest wingnut talking point that he&#39;s &#8220;doing too much&#8221; is childish and ineffective.</p>
<p>Get on the bus!</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/03/11/lets-keep-our-eye-on-the-ball/comment-page-1/#comment-588827</link>
		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(BTW, I have an account at ING Direct.  I consider it nice that the government of The Netherlands has been kind enough to prop up my bank, which of course also has US FDIC insurance on US accounts.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(BTW, I have an account at ING Direct.  I consider it nice that the government of The Netherlands has been kind enough to prop up my bank, which of course also has US FDIC insurance on US accounts.)</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/03/11/lets-keep-our-eye-on-the-ball/comment-page-1/#comment-588826</link>
		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think DWA is phrasing it a bit as the cart before the horse (rather than just the chicken before the egg?)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is still a credit crisis, and is still leading to broad deleveraging.  If it is not a &quot;banking&quot; crisis it is only because governments have stepped in to prop up the banks, whatever it takes.  The rumored $9 trillion in commitments are not just to provide liquidity.  A number that big looks like solvency.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;... unless we take the IMO shallow view that solvency is only an issue because prices are artificially depressed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think DWA is phrasing it a bit as the cart before the horse (rather than just the chicken before the egg?)</p>
<p>This is still a credit crisis, and is still leading to broad deleveraging.  If it is not a &#8220;banking&#8221; crisis it is only because governments have stepped in to prop up the banks, whatever it takes.  The rumored $9 trillion in commitments are not just to provide liquidity.  A number that big looks like solvency.</p>
<p>&#8230; unless we take the IMO shallow view that solvency is only an issue because prices are artificially depressed.</p>
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		<title>By: DWAnderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWAnderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think there is that much evidence that this is currently a banking crisis. Rather this seems to a deep recession caused by the sudden realization that we are 5-10 trillion dollars poorer than we thought we were (given the declines in real estate and stock prices). Problems with banks are a symptom not a cause of the crisis.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That beiing said, it would be nice if the government tried to to encourage the entrepreneurial activity that will pull us out of the recession instead of discouraging it by (i) constantly changing the rules, and (ii) making currying political favor a key element of success (e.g. by handing out trillions of dollars in various ways).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t think there is that much evidence that this is currently a banking crisis. Rather this seems to a deep recession caused by the sudden realization that we are 5-10 trillion dollars poorer than we thought we were (given the declines in real estate and stock prices). Problems with banks are a symptom not a cause of the crisis.</p>
<p>That beiing said, it would be nice if the government tried to to encourage the entrepreneurial activity that will pull us out of the recession instead of discouraging it by (i) constantly changing the rules, and (ii) making currying political favor a key element of success (e.g. by handing out trillions of dollars in various ways).</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought your comment that this was the way politics works was spot-on.  The thing is, that leaves few places to go in practical terms.  If the answer to politics is to discard politics ... nobody&#039;s ever done that, other than &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/chuck_norris_calls_for_revolution/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;at the point of a gun.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought your comment that this was the way politics works was spot-on.  The thing is, that leaves few places to go in practical terms.  If the answer to politics is to discard politics &#8230; nobody&#39;s ever done that, other than <a href="http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/chuck_norris_calls_for_revolution/" rel="nofollow">at the point of a gun.</a></p>
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		<title>By: mk</title>
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		<dc:creator>mk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good. Maybe if enough people say this, they&#039;ll start listening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good. Maybe if enough people say this, they&#39;ll start listening.</p>
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