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		<title>By: Noah</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/03/10/false-package-deals/comment-page-1/#comment-588810</link>
		<dc:creator>Noah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am going to add into the general chorus and say that I would like to see an elaboration on how WWII was not war we had to go into, and why there would have been benefits to just sitting on the sidelines and seeing either Hitler dominate Europe, or seeing the USSR defeat Hitler and dominate Europe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am going to add into the general chorus and say that I would like to see an elaboration on how WWII was not war we had to go into, and why there would have been benefits to just sitting on the sidelines and seeing either Hitler dominate Europe, or seeing the USSR defeat Hitler and dominate Europe.</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie's Farm</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/03/10/false-package-deals/comment-page-1/#comment-588808</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggie's Farm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Weds. morning links...&lt;/strong&gt;

Obama wants less college drop-outs. Focus on Outcome. Is &quot;outcome&quot; a piece of paper? That is easily done: High Schools do it every day.
Why don&#039;t people live within their means, and&#160;save for a rainy day? A teed-off &#160;Sowell.
The 1...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Weds. morning links&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Obama wants less college drop-outs. Focus on Outcome. Is &quot;outcome&quot; a piece of paper? That is easily done: High Schools do it every day.<br />
Why don&#8217;t people live within their means, and&nbsp;save for a rainy day? A teed-off &nbsp;Sowell.<br />
The 1&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve C</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/03/10/false-package-deals/comment-page-1/#comment-588787</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 23:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you think the the difference between your system of values, vs &quot;most people&quot; that leads you to say that Will is obviously correct about the moon?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you think the the difference between your system of values, vs &#8220;most people&#8221; that leads you to say that Will is obviously correct about the moon?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve C</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/03/10/false-package-deals/comment-page-1/#comment-588786</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 23:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why was it a happy accident?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why was it a happy accident?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve C</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/03/10/false-package-deals/comment-page-1/#comment-588784</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 23:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Libertarian response:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hearts and minds: worth $0&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Weather &amp; communications satellites: sitting here in my chair, I just thought up a theory about how this could have been privatized, therefore it was a bad idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Libertarian response:</p>
<p>Hearts and minds: worth $0</p>
<p>Weather &#038; communications satellites: sitting here in my chair, I just thought up a theory about how this could have been privatized, therefore it was a bad idea.</p>
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		<title>By: uknowbetter</title>
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		<dc:creator>uknowbetter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 23:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Choosing bad policies makes you an idiot.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The impulse to &quot;do something&quot; is one thing, but going overboard is quite another.  Obama wants to do lots of things so he can be heroically remembered for doing lots of things; he doesn&#039;t care if those things actually make the country a worse place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Choosing bad policies makes you an idiot.</p>
<p>The impulse to &#8220;do something&#8221; is one thing, but going overboard is quite another.  Obama wants to do lots of things so he can be heroically remembered for doing lots of things; he doesn&#39;t care if those things actually make the country a worse place.</p>
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		<title>By: newshutz</title>
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		<dc:creator>newshutz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 23:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you do not consider productive Jim Cramer&#039;s call for fixing the banks, reapplying the uptick rule and getting rid of mark to market first, before fiddling about with new social engineering, carbon taxes or Democratic party special interest pork, what exactly would you consider productive?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you do not consider productive Jim Cramer&#39;s call for fixing the banks, reapplying the uptick rule and getting rid of mark to market first, before fiddling about with new social engineering, carbon taxes or Democratic party special interest pork, what exactly would you consider productive?</p>
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		<title>By: GU</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/03/10/false-package-deals/comment-page-1/#comment-588759</link>
		<dc:creator>GU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the contrary, I think Obama knows exactly what he is doing. He probably realizes that FDR&#039;s policies hurt more than they helped, but that is a tertiary concern for him. FDR is still ranked by most historians as one of the greatest presidents of all time, and most people still gush when asked about him. Most people think the New Deal was absolutely necessary to &quot;save&quot; the country. Obama understands this. He is modeling his presidency after FDR&#039;s &quot;First 100 Days.&quot; He knows about the &quot;do something bias&quot; and is setting himself up to be FDR II, and Bush to play Hoover II. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think Obama also knows full well that this is a perfect opportunity to drastically increase the size and scope of government, and he is doing all he can to make this happen. He knows that doing so shifts the baseline, and that the size of government never shrinks back to its former size. He sees what the New Deal did for Big Government, and he&#039;s trying to make it happen again. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama is not an idiot, but very clever actually. He talked like a moderate on the campaign, but he&#039;s in full progressive/socialist mode in office. Has he chosen to support bad policies? Yes. Is what he&#039;s doing immoral? I think so, because I find collectivism to be immoral. Is he an idiot? No.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the contrary, I think Obama knows exactly what he is doing. He probably realizes that FDR&#39;s policies hurt more than they helped, but that is a tertiary concern for him. FDR is still ranked by most historians as one of the greatest presidents of all time, and most people still gush when asked about him. Most people think the New Deal was absolutely necessary to &#8220;save&#8221; the country. Obama understands this. He is modeling his presidency after FDR&#39;s &#8220;First 100 Days.&#8221; He knows about the &#8220;do something bias&#8221; and is setting himself up to be FDR II, and Bush to play Hoover II. </p>
<p>I think Obama also knows full well that this is a perfect opportunity to drastically increase the size and scope of government, and he is doing all he can to make this happen. He knows that doing so shifts the baseline, and that the size of government never shrinks back to its former size. He sees what the New Deal did for Big Government, and he&#39;s trying to make it happen again. </p>
<p>Obama is not an idiot, but very clever actually. He talked like a moderate on the campaign, but he&#39;s in full progressive/socialist mode in office. Has he chosen to support bad policies? Yes. Is what he&#39;s doing immoral? I think so, because I find collectivism to be immoral. Is he an idiot? No.</p>
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		<title>By: Vangel</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/03/10/false-package-deals/comment-page-1/#comment-588754</link>
		<dc:creator>Vangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It used to be that Obama revealed himself to be an empty suit every time he went off script.  What is scary is how quickly he is doing so even in a controlled environment.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That probably means that Obama and his advisers are just as isolated from reality as Bush and his gang used to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It used to be that Obama revealed himself to be an empty suit every time he went off script.  What is scary is how quickly he is doing so even in a controlled environment.  </p>
<p>That probably means that Obama and his advisers are just as isolated from reality as Bush and his gang used to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I usually don&#039;t bother to comment on these things, but I think we&#039;re witnessing a prime example of selective bias here.  You do realize that former President Bush was the center of a near constant stream of jokes at the expense of both his intelligence and his policies.  It is only natural for comedians to make fun of whomever is in office.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It would be interesting if opposition parties presented some sort of counter plan as an alternative for the American people.  The constant and counterproductive railing on the Obama plan is wearing thin on most people&#039;s patience.  To be clear, I would not mind productive railing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I usually don&#39;t bother to comment on these things, but I think we&#39;re witnessing a prime example of selective bias here.  You do realize that former President Bush was the center of a near constant stream of jokes at the expense of both his intelligence and his policies.  It is only natural for comedians to make fun of whomever is in office.</p>
<p>It would be interesting if opposition parties presented some sort of counter plan as an alternative for the American people.  The constant and counterproductive railing on the Obama plan is wearing thin on most people&#39;s patience.  To be clear, I would not mind productive railing.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul_G_Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul_G_Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More of an accident, than an error. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Happy accident though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More of an accident, than an error. </p>
<p>Happy accident though.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, so you would certainly have to agree that America was an error.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, so you would certainly have to agree that America was an error.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve C</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/03/10/false-package-deals/comment-page-1/#comment-588738</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WW2 is easy, I&#039;ll defend the Moon.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;- I like it that we have national monuments we can be proud of.  The government uses guns to extract money from people in order to build and maintain these monuments - awesome!  More please!&lt;br&gt;- We have a presidential inauguration that costs a lot of money, extracted from people in the same fashion.&lt;br&gt;- The moon landing showed the world what capitalist democracy can achieve.  It makes me proud of my country.  It cost a lot of money, and I&#039;m glad the government used force to extract it from hard-working Americans, including heroic entrepreneurs and libertarians.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Even people who only admit to the existence of profit and loss - the small-minded - have to chip in for the less-tangible efforts to keep the American meme going.  To aide in the spread of western values and ultimately push the world forward.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Your ideological predecessors no doubt predicted ruin and squalor should we pursue national projects like the moon landing, but here we are - doing pretty well (I say that without irony).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WW2 is easy, I&#39;ll defend the Moon.</p>
<p>- I like it that we have national monuments we can be proud of.  The government uses guns to extract money from people in order to build and maintain these monuments &#8211; awesome!  More please!<br />- We have a presidential inauguration that costs a lot of money, extracted from people in the same fashion.<br />- The moon landing showed the world what capitalist democracy can achieve.  It makes me proud of my country.  It cost a lot of money, and I&#39;m glad the government used force to extract it from hard-working Americans, including heroic entrepreneurs and libertarians.  </p>
<p>Even people who only admit to the existence of profit and loss &#8211; the small-minded &#8211; have to chip in for the less-tangible efforts to keep the American meme going.  To aide in the spread of western values and ultimately push the world forward.</p>
<p>Your ideological predecessors no doubt predicted ruin and squalor should we pursue national projects like the moon landing, but here we are &#8211; doing pretty well (I say that without irony).</p>
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		<title>By: Paul_G_Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul_G_Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Grand, non-quantifiable vision, ala Paine, scares you - you can only deal in the small-bore.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Actually I think not taking grand, non-quantifiable visions seriously is a feature, not a bug.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Grand, non-quantifiable vision, ala Paine, scares you &#8211; you can only deal in the small-bore.</i></p>
<p>Actually I think not taking grand, non-quantifiable visions seriously is a feature, not a bug.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;WTF? (1) Roosevelt probably prolonged the depression. (2) Fighting WWII was most certainly a choice, and maybe not the best one. (3) Kennedy did nothing much by way of advancing civil rights other than voting against Eisenhower’s 1957 Civil Rights Act. (4) There was no point whatsoever in going to the moon.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There&#039;s some real libertarianism, the autism in all its glory.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;- historical figures judged against theoretically perfect counterfactuals only knowable in hindsight&lt;br&gt;- then you have WW2 and the moon.  This is the autism.  Your value system is fatally crippled if you can&#039;t think beyond economics, about winning the war of ideas and ideals.  Your value system argues against just about every substantive, historical classically liberal action that got the west to where it is today.  It zeroes out the value of Russian and Jewish lives, their cultural and national traditions.  When the colonists were gearing up to kick the Brits out, you would be the ones arguing against it on bean-counting &quot;principle&quot;.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Grand, non-quantifiable vision, ala Paine, scares you - you can only deal in the small-bore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;WTF? (1) Roosevelt probably prolonged the depression. (2) Fighting WWII was most certainly a choice, and maybe not the best one. (3) Kennedy did nothing much by way of advancing civil rights other than voting against Eisenhower’s 1957 Civil Rights Act. (4) There was no point whatsoever in going to the moon.&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#39;s some real libertarianism, the autism in all its glory.</p>
<p>- historical figures judged against theoretically perfect counterfactuals only knowable in hindsight<br />- then you have WW2 and the moon.  This is the autism.  Your value system is fatally crippled if you can&#39;t think beyond economics, about winning the war of ideas and ideals.  Your value system argues against just about every substantive, historical classically liberal action that got the west to where it is today.  It zeroes out the value of Russian and Jewish lives, their cultural and national traditions.  When the colonists were gearing up to kick the Brits out, you would be the ones arguing against it on bean-counting &#8220;principle&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Grand, non-quantifiable vision, ala Paine, scares you &#8211; you can only deal in the small-bore.</p>
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