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	<description>The Sweet Release of Reason</description>
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		<title>By: Gregory J Hoffman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregory J Hoffman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 22:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice article! nice site. you&#039;re in my rss feed now ;-)&lt;br&gt;keep it up</description>
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		<title>By: winton_bates</title>
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		<dc:creator>winton_bates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 09:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Adam was on the right track quoting David Hume.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It seems to me that the following quote from Hume is also relevant: “Morals excite passions, and produce or prevent actions. Reason of itself is utterly impotent in this particular. The rules of morality, therefore, are not conclusions of our reason” (“A Treatise of Human Nature”, 1739, III, I, i).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That doesn&#039;t mean that our moral sense is purely a product of genetic evolution. Hayek provided a sensible explanation of the evolution of rules of conduct evolving because the groups who practiced them flourished and displaced other groups.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Adam was on the right track quoting David Hume.  </p>
<p>It seems to me that the following quote from Hume is also relevant: “Morals excite passions, and produce or prevent actions. Reason of itself is utterly impotent in this particular. The rules of morality, therefore, are not conclusions of our reason” (“A Treatise of Human Nature”, 1739, III, I, i).</p>
<p>That doesn&#39;t mean that our moral sense is purely a product of genetic evolution. Hayek provided a sensible explanation of the evolution of rules of conduct evolving because the groups who practiced them flourished and displaced other groups.</p>
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		<title>By: Arun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 11:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Evolution tells us how we came about, not why we came about.  In fact, the story evolution tells us is of a series of chance events, so why we came about is even more mysterious.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2. Only from a species perspective (if a species can have one) is the individual&#039;s purpose to make copies of its genes.  Unless the individual is concerned about what happens after its death, whether it made copies of its genes or not is utterly irrelevant to it.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;3. The quest for meaning is not universal among humans. E.g., in Christian cosmology the universe is imbued with God&#039;s Will and Purpose with which we must be in accord, and from which we draw our meaning.  Or more strictly, the possibility of &quot;the meaning of life&quot; is implicit in God&#039;s hidden purpose.  In Hindu/Buddhist cosmology, the universe has no purpose. (e.g., see Myths and Symbols in Indian Art and Civilization, H. Zimmer); the God/gods/no-god has no purpose and consequently, as parts of a purposeless universe, we have no objective context in which to talk about our own purpose.  That does not prevent Hindus or Buddhists from talking about the proper way to lead life.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I suggest therefore that this quest for meaning (&quot;why are we here?&quot;) is culture-specific. Moreover, the author is correct that the question has no bearing on how to live life. This is an empirical fact (i.e., one can arrive at it by examining world cultures) and not a philosophical one. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I further suggest that the quest for the meaning of life is a hangover from Christianity. Part of the conflict between religion and science in the west is precisely because science says that &quot;why are we here?&quot; is an ill-posed question. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;5. People who have absorbed this search for meaning find paradoxes like Tunku Varadarajan did:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/29/opinion/29varadarajan.html&quot;&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/29/opinion/29var...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Evolution tells us how we came about, not why we came about.  In fact, the story evolution tells us is of a series of chance events, so why we came about is even more mysterious.</p>
<p>2. Only from a species perspective (if a species can have one) is the individual&#39;s purpose to make copies of its genes.  Unless the individual is concerned about what happens after its death, whether it made copies of its genes or not is utterly irrelevant to it.  </p>
<p>3. The quest for meaning is not universal among humans. E.g., in Christian cosmology the universe is imbued with God&#39;s Will and Purpose with which we must be in accord, and from which we draw our meaning.  Or more strictly, the possibility of &#8220;the meaning of life&#8221; is implicit in God&#39;s hidden purpose.  In Hindu/Buddhist cosmology, the universe has no purpose. (e.g., see Myths and Symbols in Indian Art and Civilization, H. Zimmer); the God/gods/no-god has no purpose and consequently, as parts of a purposeless universe, we have no objective context in which to talk about our own purpose.  That does not prevent Hindus or Buddhists from talking about the proper way to lead life.</p>
<p>I suggest therefore that this quest for meaning (&#8220;why are we here?&#8221;) is culture-specific. Moreover, the author is correct that the question has no bearing on how to live life. This is an empirical fact (i.e., one can arrive at it by examining world cultures) and not a philosophical one. </p>
<p>I further suggest that the quest for the meaning of life is a hangover from Christianity. Part of the conflict between religion and science in the west is precisely because science says that &#8220;why are we here?&#8221; is an ill-posed question. </p>
<p>5. People who have absorbed this search for meaning find paradoxes like Tunku Varadarajan did:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/29/opinion/29varadarajan.html"></a><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/29/opinion/29var.." rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/29/opinion/29var..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Drake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Drake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;if we really had all been designed to kill kittens&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You mean we &lt;i&gt;haven&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; been designed to kill kittens? Oh dear...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;if we really had all been designed to kill kittens&#8221;</p>
<p>You mean we <i>haven&#39;t</i> been designed to kill kittens? Oh dear&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i dug both, but the B-side was better. 100% will, no ice.</description>
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		<title>By: Jason Malloy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Malloy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also children are a good example of what I&#039;m talking about. &lt;i&gt;On average&lt;/i&gt; having chidren makes people slightly less happy. (the reason for this, by the way, seems to be the number of people having children &lt;a href=&quot;http://74.125.95.104/search?q=cache:1-XYdCSuyO4J:www.gnxp.com/blog/2006/10/stuff-that-influences-subjective-well.php+%22but+non-existent+for+married+mothers%22&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;cd=1&amp;gl=us&quot;&gt;out of wedlock&lt;/a&gt;) But lots of people really do become much happier, and find a lot of meaning by having children. Others think they will but don&#039;t. It may be difficult for many people to predict which category they will end up in. Genetic self-knowledge would correct this, and maximize potential meaning by improving a major life decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also children are a good example of what I&#39;m talking about. <i>On average</i> having chidren makes people slightly less happy. (the reason for this, by the way, seems to be the number of people having children <a href="http://74.125.95.104/search?q=cache:1-XYdCSuyO4J:www.gnxp.com/blog/2006/10/stuff-that-influences-subjective-well.php+%22but+non-existent+for+married+mothers%22&#038;hl=en&#038;ct=clnk&#038;cd=1&#038;gl=us">out of wedlock</a>) But lots of people really do become much happier, and find a lot of meaning by having children. Others think they will but don&#39;t. It may be difficult for many people to predict which category they will end up in. Genetic self-knowledge would correct this, and maximize potential meaning by improving a major life decision.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Malloy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Malloy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But knowing why we are here, or what we are for, turns out to be terrifically useless in guiding our choices or framing our lives.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think this is because you aren&#039;t looking at the question with sufficient granularity. If by &#039;why&#039; you mean &#039;how&#039; then, yes, the most general answer is because ma and pa had the sex, and then you could break down the hows of sex into as much information as you want (from the nervous system, to perceptual stimulus, to physiology, to hormones, to the base pair sequence that coded those hormones). At this most general level you are right that this doesn&#039;t give you much useful information. This could be telling you to go have sex with a woman, or reproduce, or reproduce with your mother -- none of which seem like they would be better choices than what your natural wants and not-wants could guide better (people already know they want to have sex, and in the case of gay or asexual people, who don&#039;t instinctively desire reproductive sex, the guideline would make their lives worse).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But at a deeper level of &#039;how&#039; I think knowing all of your genes, and how they will react and have reacted in the past would be about the most useful information you could ever have about what decisions to make in your life. To use your own nerdy example, let&#039;s say bizarro world Will spends 10 years at kitten-eating school, and then another 5 years in the kitten-eating labor force before having a nervous breakdown and joining a PETA monastery where he can spend the rest of his life doing what he now realizes he wanted to do all along: pet kittens.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But with the correct amount of biological self-knowledge, Will could have saved himself 15 traumatic, wasted years and a nervous breakdown. He would have known beforehand that kitten-eating would upset him and why. With full genetic self-knowledge people could plan their lives for the maximum experience of &quot;meaning&quot; at the earliest possible age.(starting with their parents) &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To a rough extent this already happens with our limited knowledge. People are similar enough that we can see things like money, accomplishment, deeper relationships, children, community, and religion, generally lead to more meaningful lives (children appear to be the only general false positive). So most people lay some sort of early groundwork to make one or more of these things happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But knowing why we are here, or what we are for, turns out to be terrifically useless in guiding our choices or framing our lives.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think this is because you aren&#39;t looking at the question with sufficient granularity. If by &#39;why&#39; you mean &#39;how&#39; then, yes, the most general answer is because ma and pa had the sex, and then you could break down the hows of sex into as much information as you want (from the nervous system, to perceptual stimulus, to physiology, to hormones, to the base pair sequence that coded those hormones). At this most general level you are right that this doesn&#39;t give you much useful information. This could be telling you to go have sex with a woman, or reproduce, or reproduce with your mother &#8212; none of which seem like they would be better choices than what your natural wants and not-wants could guide better (people already know they want to have sex, and in the case of gay or asexual people, who don&#39;t instinctively desire reproductive sex, the guideline would make their lives worse).</p>
<p>But at a deeper level of &#39;how&#39; I think knowing all of your genes, and how they will react and have reacted in the past would be about the most useful information you could ever have about what decisions to make in your life. To use your own nerdy example, let&#39;s say bizarro world Will spends 10 years at kitten-eating school, and then another 5 years in the kitten-eating labor force before having a nervous breakdown and joining a PETA monastery where he can spend the rest of his life doing what he now realizes he wanted to do all along: pet kittens.</p>
<p>But with the correct amount of biological self-knowledge, Will could have saved himself 15 traumatic, wasted years and a nervous breakdown. He would have known beforehand that kitten-eating would upset him and why. With full genetic self-knowledge people could plan their lives for the maximum experience of &#8220;meaning&#8221; at the earliest possible age.(starting with their parents) </p>
<p>To a rough extent this already happens with our limited knowledge. People are similar enough that we can see things like money, accomplishment, deeper relationships, children, community, and religion, generally lead to more meaningful lives (children appear to be the only general false positive). So most people lay some sort of early groundwork to make one or more of these things happen.</p>
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		<title>By: mk</title>
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		<dc:creator>mk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Random thought: if meaning is partly determined by having one or two ideas with an outsized influence over all directions of your life, then John McCain is just as invested in the Politics of Meaning as Hillary Clinton ever was. In fact, Meaning (or illusions thereof) is a big part of what politics is all about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Random thought: if meaning is partly determined by having one or two ideas with an outsized influence over all directions of your life, then John McCain is just as invested in the Politics of Meaning as Hillary Clinton ever was. In fact, Meaning (or illusions thereof) is a big part of what politics is all about.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Steinglass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Steinglass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 01:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what Jim Manzi gets at is rather key here: switching to an evolutionary rather than an intelligent-design narrative means not that the question &quot;Why are we here?&quot; is answerable in genes rather than Commandments, but  that the question becomes a poor question. I think Will is saying the same thing, but it&#039;s confusing to phrase it in the kitten-killer Intelligent Design format. I mean, if we really had all been designed to kill kittens, we probably would think it was supremely moral to do so, and it would not be at all self-evident that we were wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what Jim Manzi gets at is rather key here: switching to an evolutionary rather than an intelligent-design narrative means not that the question &#8220;Why are we here?&#8221; is answerable in genes rather than Commandments, but  that the question becomes a poor question. I think Will is saying the same thing, but it&#39;s confusing to phrase it in the kitten-killer Intelligent Design format. I mean, if we really had all been designed to kill kittens, we probably would think it was supremely moral to do so, and it would not be at all self-evident that we were wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: jsalvati</title>
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		<dc:creator>jsalvati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 01:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That person sounds terrifically confused. What sort of philosopher does not understand the difference between causation and &quot;meaning&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That person sounds terrifically confused. What sort of philosopher does not understand the difference between causation and &#8220;meaning&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: pedro</title>
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		<dc:creator>pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we are created for a purpose then the denial of a moral dimension to that purpose is to assert independence from our creator.  If the creator exists and can/will punish non-conformity then the assertion of independence is a dangerous thing to do.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In the absense of a god there is no why.  If there is a why then it is kind of difficult to see how the why might be irrelevant to morality.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thank god there&#039;s no god.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we are created for a purpose then the denial of a moral dimension to that purpose is to assert independence from our creator.  If the creator exists and can/will punish non-conformity then the assertion of independence is a dangerous thing to do.</p>
<p>In the absense of a god there is no why.  If there is a why then it is kind of difficult to see how the why might be irrelevant to morality.</p>
<p>Thank god there&#39;s no god.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Drake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Drake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To expand on Jim Manzi&#039;s points above, I think what your argument shows is that there is no reason to privilege the purposes or functions for which I was designed (whether by divine agent or blind watchmaker). To wit, that I was designed in virtue of some set of functions or purposes does not make them *my* purposes. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But then it doesn&#039;t seem that the implied distinction between the questions &quot;&lt;i&gt;Why am I here&lt;/i&gt;&quot; and &lt;i&gt;&quot;What am I to do here?&lt;/i&gt;&quot; is viable. To discover why I am here (or to contrive some telos for my being here) is arguably just to discover (or promulgate) the kinds of activities in which I should partake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To expand on Jim Manzi&#39;s points above, I think what your argument shows is that there is no reason to privilege the purposes or functions for which I was designed (whether by divine agent or blind watchmaker). To wit, that I was designed in virtue of some set of functions or purposes does not make them *my* purposes. </p>
<p>But then it doesn&#39;t seem that the implied distinction between the questions &#8220;<i>Why am I here</i>&#8221; and <i>&#8220;What am I to do here?</i>&#8221; is viable. To discover why I am here (or to contrive some telos for my being here) is arguably just to discover (or promulgate) the kinds of activities in which I should partake.</p>
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		<title>By: mk</title>
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		<dc:creator>mk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An analogy would be that a meaningful life is a song, whereas a meaning-deprived life is a collection of notes. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you are in the middle of a song, you know something about what to expect. And even if something unexpected happens, you can interpret it. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you are in the middle of a collection of notes, you have no real inkling of why any one thing should come rather than any other.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now, the interpretation we apply might be overzealous. We &quot;mistakenly&quot; see faces in clouds; is that not similar to seeing meaning in one&#039;s everyday life? If I remember right, the research on optimists says that they&#039;re rather unrealistic people. Their hopes are often dashed, and they don&#039;t care, because the cloud is still a face. Or it changed into a car, because a car is what&#039;s important to me right now because etc.. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Children increase the meaning in one&#039;s life because they organize your whole life around one thing. So everything becomes comprehensible as a means to the end of properly raising your kid. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And we have to reorganize our lives if we have kids, because we can&#039;t unhave them. They dominate our lives. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Perhaps a meaningful life is (often) one in which a few things/people/ideas exert an outsized influence on one&#039;s path. (It&#039;s hard to know how to measure this, exactly, maybe a survey question of &quot;what&#039;s most important to you?&quot;)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Consider also that someone could come down with a horrible disease and it could add meaning to their lives by giving them something large, concrete, and unavoidable to organize their lives around (e.g. becoming a fundraiser/advocate for those afflicted by the condition). &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;etc. etc....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An analogy would be that a meaningful life is a song, whereas a meaning-deprived life is a collection of notes. </p>
<p>If you are in the middle of a song, you know something about what to expect. And even if something unexpected happens, you can interpret it. </p>
<p>If you are in the middle of a collection of notes, you have no real inkling of why any one thing should come rather than any other.</p>
<p>Now, the interpretation we apply might be overzealous. We &#8220;mistakenly&#8221; see faces in clouds; is that not similar to seeing meaning in one&#39;s everyday life? If I remember right, the research on optimists says that they&#39;re rather unrealistic people. Their hopes are often dashed, and they don&#39;t care, because the cloud is still a face. Or it changed into a car, because a car is what&#39;s important to me right now because etc.. </p>
<p>Children increase the meaning in one&#39;s life because they organize your whole life around one thing. So everything becomes comprehensible as a means to the end of properly raising your kid. </p>
<p>And we have to reorganize our lives if we have kids, because we can&#39;t unhave them. They dominate our lives. </p>
<p>Perhaps a meaningful life is (often) one in which a few things/people/ideas exert an outsized influence on one&#39;s path. (It&#39;s hard to know how to measure this, exactly, maybe a survey question of &#8220;what&#39;s most important to you?&#8221;)</p>
<p>Consider also that someone could come down with a horrible disease and it could add meaning to their lives by giving them something large, concrete, and unavoidable to organize their lives around (e.g. becoming a fundraiser/advocate for those afflicted by the condition). </p>
<p>etc. etc&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Manzi</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/10/30/lets-measure-meaning/comment-page-1/#comment-584211</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Manzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, but I think that the assertion (in these terms) in the post is that &quot;the thing one is&quot; is an organ used by genes for self-replication, and further, that this slef-replication machine has no anterior purpose beyond this.  The point of my article is that the phrase that follows the word &quot;further&quot; in the prior sentence is a frequent mis-interpretation of evolutionary theory that has no scientific basis, and that can not be demonstrated as derivable from any accepted scientific findings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but I think that the assertion (in these terms) in the post is that &#8220;the thing one is&#8221; is an organ used by genes for self-replication, and further, that this slef-replication machine has no anterior purpose beyond this.  The point of my article is that the phrase that follows the word &#8220;further&#8221; in the prior sentence is a frequent mis-interpretation of evolutionary theory that has no scientific basis, and that can not be demonstrated as derivable from any accepted scientific findings.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Manzi</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/10/30/lets-measure-meaning/comment-page-1/#comment-584210</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Manzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell me about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tell me about it.</p>
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