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	<title>Comments on: Blame It on Gerald Dworkin for Blaming It on Ayn Rand</title>
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		<title>By: Jud Dorvits</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jud Dorvits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If I fail to keep up competently with either of these genuinely accomplished scholars, they will be able to expose my failings in real time.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Brian Leiter is obviously afraid that he wouldn&#039;t be able to do this; that&#039;s why he pretends to be too mortally offended (he, the guy who denounces civility) to enter into a discussion with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If I fail to keep up competently with either of these genuinely accomplished scholars, they will be able to expose my failings in real time.</i></p>
<p>Brian Leiter is obviously afraid that he wouldn&#39;t be able to do this; that&#39;s why he pretends to be too mortally offended (he, the guy who denounces civility) to enter into a discussion with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Drake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Drake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, first, as should have been clear from my de Guarney crack, &quot;compelling&quot; isn&#039;t really the word I would use. Let&#039;s just say I find laying the entire financial crisis at the foot of Ayn Rand (via Alan Greenspan) a nonfrivolous bit of synecdoche.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Second, if the CRA had played the causal role in the global financial meltdown that unregulated derivatives did, then yeah, I suppose I might find the arguments roughly equally compelling (though I&#039;m not sure I know who is supposed to play the starring roles of Greenspan and Rand in this analogy).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, first, as should have been clear from my de Guarney crack, &#8220;compelling&#8221; isn&#39;t really the word I would use. Let&#39;s just say I find laying the entire financial crisis at the foot of Ayn Rand (via Alan Greenspan) a nonfrivolous bit of synecdoche.</p>
<p>Second, if the CRA had played the causal role in the global financial meltdown that unregulated derivatives did, then yeah, I suppose I might find the arguments roughly equally compelling (though I&#39;m not sure I know who is supposed to play the starring roles of Greenspan and Rand in this analogy).</p>
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		<title>By: KipEsquire</title>
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		<dc:creator>KipEsquire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You realize I hope that this comment proves the point of the comment it was trying to correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You realize I hope that this comment proves the point of the comment it was trying to correct.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobcat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobcat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably people in political theory, but I imagine that&#039;s it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably people in political theory, but I imagine that&#39;s it.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert S. Porter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert S. Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, yes, I was joking, and attempting to be ironical. But I do wonder how many people outside of philosophy know Dworkin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, yes, I was joking, and attempting to be ironical. But I do wonder how many people outside of philosophy know Dworkin.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobcat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobcat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re just joking, but for the record, Davis is very good, and lots of people know Gerry Dworkin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#39;re just joking, but for the record, Davis is very good, and lots of people know Gerry Dworkin.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobcat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobcat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Leiter is no doubt someone who takes credentials very seriously. Moreover, I think implicit support of Dworkin&#039;s point is given by the fact that Leiter approvingly gives it netspace on his blog. These two factors together give evidence for the inference that Leiter has no problem with Dworkin&#039;s remarks, and most likely endorses them. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for Will&#039;s condescending claim that it&#039;s embarrassing for a professional philosopher like Dworkin to say what he said, what he really getting at was the fact that Dworkin is a professional philosopher--not a professional economist. What&#039;s embarrassing is that he goes well beyond his specialty, not that he&#039;s a credentialed philosopher who says dumb things. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Dworkin&#039;s claim runs: &quot;it is frankly embarrassing that Will Wilkinson, a professional—umm—dropout from a Ph.D program in philosophy, attributes the views expressed to Brian Leiter.&quot; I grant that Dworkin was parodying Wilkinson&#039;s original line, but in this case there is no claim that Wilkinson was going beyond his expertise. He just wanted to make fun of the fact that Wilkinson dropped out of a Ph.D. program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Leiter is no doubt someone who takes credentials very seriously. Moreover, I think implicit support of Dworkin&#39;s point is given by the fact that Leiter approvingly gives it netspace on his blog. These two factors together give evidence for the inference that Leiter has no problem with Dworkin&#39;s remarks, and most likely endorses them. </p>
<p>As for Will&#39;s condescending claim that it&#39;s embarrassing for a professional philosopher like Dworkin to say what he said, what he really getting at was the fact that Dworkin is a professional philosopher&#8211;not a professional economist. What&#39;s embarrassing is that he goes well beyond his specialty, not that he&#39;s a credentialed philosopher who says dumb things. </p>
<p>Dworkin&#39;s claim runs: &#8220;it is frankly embarrassing that Will Wilkinson, a professional—umm—dropout from a Ph.D program in philosophy, attributes the views expressed to Brian Leiter.&#8221; I grant that Dworkin was parodying Wilkinson&#39;s original line, but in this case there is no claim that Wilkinson was going beyond his expertise. He just wanted to make fun of the fact that Wilkinson dropped out of a Ph.D. program.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Wilkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>meta, Your comment is in the thread in the next post down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>meta, Your comment is in the thread in the next post down.</p>
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		<title>By: Usyless</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/10/11/blame-it-on-gerald-dworkin-for-blaming-it-on-ayn-rand/comment-page-1/#comment-583789</link>
		<dc:creator>Usyless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I to take it that you find the &quot;Blame racial justice&quot; argument compelling too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I to take it that you find the &#8220;Blame racial justice&#8221; argument compelling too?</p>
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		<title>By: bjk</title>
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		<dc:creator>bjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is embarrassing. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://static.flickr.com/28/47632485_b01ff05bfc_o.jpg&quot;&gt;http://static.flickr.com/28/47632485_b01ff05bfc...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is embarrassing. </p>
<p><a href="http://static.flickr.com/28/47632485_b01ff05bfc_o.jpg"></a><a href="http://static.flickr.com/28/47632485_b01ff05bfc.." rel="nofollow">http://static.flickr.com/28/47632485_b01ff05bfc..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: metanaturalists</title>
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		<dc:creator>metanaturalists</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Umm, I wrote a comment yesterday and today I see it&#039;s gone. There is a place for me to link my website to my name. Was it my criticism of the blogs by Leiter, Dworkin and yourself that got my comment removed; or was it adding my blog link inside the message?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm, I wrote a comment yesterday and today I see it&#39;s gone. There is a place for me to link my website to my name. Was it my criticism of the blogs by Leiter, Dworkin and yourself that got my comment removed; or was it adding my blog link inside the message?</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Such savage and merciless sarcasm is uncalled for (but hilarious nonetheless).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Such savage and merciless sarcasm is uncalled for (but hilarious nonetheless).</p>
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		<title>By: R.A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>R.A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should show more respect for Brian Leiter, since he is one of the most famous philosophers in the world.  He SHOULD win the Schock prize at some point!  Unfortunately the people who make that award seem to neglect the most intellectually demanding areas of philosophy, which, of course, are the areas where Professor Leiter has obtained his major results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should show more respect for Brian Leiter, since he is one of the most famous philosophers in the world.  He SHOULD win the Schock prize at some point!  Unfortunately the people who make that award seem to neglect the most intellectually demanding areas of philosophy, which, of course, are the areas where Professor Leiter has obtained his major results.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Drake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Drake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me first buttress you&#039;re point, Usyless. Dworkin doesn&#039;t only &quot;ignor[e] the many very anti-free--market policy decisions&quot; of Greenspan. He also ignores the many other sources of free-market ideology. (&quot;Vincent de Gournay caused this collapse!&quot;)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That being said, the following seem straightforwardly true:&lt;br&gt;1. Unregulated derivatives figure prominently in the current crisis.&lt;br&gt;2. Greenspan&#039;s views figure prominently in the lack of regulation on derivatives.&lt;br&gt;3. Ayn Rand&#039;s views figure prominently in the development of Greenspan&#039;s views.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;These observations seem salient enough to sustain Dworkin&#039;s one-liner. How deadly serious would I take the analysis? Probably not seriously enough to call it &quot;hackery.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me first buttress you&#39;re point, Usyless. Dworkin doesn&#39;t only &#8220;ignor[e] the many very anti-free&#8211;market policy decisions&#8221; of Greenspan. He also ignores the many other sources of free-market ideology. (&#8220;Vincent de Gournay caused this collapse!&#8221;)</p>
<p>That being said, the following seem straightforwardly true:<br />1. Unregulated derivatives figure prominently in the current crisis.<br />2. Greenspan&#39;s views figure prominently in the lack of regulation on derivatives.<br />3. Ayn Rand&#39;s views figure prominently in the development of Greenspan&#39;s views.</p>
<p>These observations seem salient enough to sustain Dworkin&#39;s one-liner. How deadly serious would I take the analysis? Probably not seriously enough to call it &#8220;hackery.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert S. Porter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert S. Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 05:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gerald Dworkin is just angry because no one knows who he is and because he&#039;s stuck in Davis.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But seriously, J.M. Keynes never formally studied economics, therefore he&#039;s was an idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gerald Dworkin is just angry because no one knows who he is and because he&#39;s stuck in Davis.</p>
<p>But seriously, J.M. Keynes never formally studied economics, therefore he&#39;s was an idiot.</p>
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