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		<title>By: wheelie</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/09/24/more-canuckophilia/comment-page-1/#comment-591866</link>
		<dc:creator>wheelie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The people i mean many people in the US consider that an archaic formality that bears no real authority..Heritage and Fraser also both rank Australia ahead of the the U.S. on economic freedom..&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vacationscanada.tv/video/canadian-rockies/banff-park-wildlife.html&quot; rel=&quot;follow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;banff canadian rockies&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The people i mean many people in the US consider that an archaic formality that bears no real authority..Heritage and Fraser also both rank Australia ahead of the the U.S. on economic freedom..<br /><a href="http://www.vacationscanada.tv/video/canadian-rockies/banff-park-wildlife.html" rel="follow" rel="nofollow">banff canadian rockies</a></p>
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		<title>By: winton_bates</title>
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		<dc:creator>winton_bates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 22:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both the Heritage Foundation and the Fraser Institute put Hong Kong and Singapore ahead of the U.S. on economic freedom, but political freedom isn&#039;t so great in those places. Heritage and Fraser also both rank Australia ahead of the the U.S. on economic freedom, so it could be the freest country on earth  - but as someone who lives there I must admit that I find that hard to believe. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Other countries ranked ahead of the U.S. on economic freedom are as follows: Heritage gives a higher ranking to Ireland and Fraser gives a higher ranking to New Zealand, Switzerland, U.K., Chile and Canada.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The results obviously depend a lot on how these indexes are compiled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both the Heritage Foundation and the Fraser Institute put Hong Kong and Singapore ahead of the U.S. on economic freedom, but political freedom isn&#39;t so great in those places. Heritage and Fraser also both rank Australia ahead of the the U.S. on economic freedom, so it could be the freest country on earth  &#8211; but as someone who lives there I must admit that I find that hard to believe. </p>
<p>Other countries ranked ahead of the U.S. on economic freedom are as follows: Heritage gives a higher ranking to Ireland and Fraser gives a higher ranking to New Zealand, Switzerland, U.K., Chile and Canada.</p>
<p>The results obviously depend a lot on how these indexes are compiled.</p>
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		<title>By: Sol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is a daft measure.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But if you are going to use it in this context, it&#039;s worth noting that I usually vacation in Canada (primarily Ontario and Newfoundland) for at least ten days every year, and I&#039;ve never noticed any significant difference in the amount of police presence there compared to the US.  (I still fondly remember the time we cleared out just moments before a police cruiser showed up to break up our one AM acoustic jam in the center of a lovely small Canadian town...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is a daft measure.</p>
<p>But if you are going to use it in this context, it&#39;s worth noting that I usually vacation in Canada (primarily Ontario and Newfoundland) for at least ten days every year, and I&#39;ve never noticed any significant difference in the amount of police presence there compared to the US.  (I still fondly remember the time we cleared out just moments before a police cruiser showed up to break up our one AM acoustic jam in the center of a lovely small Canadian town&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Snorri Godhi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snorri Godhi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have already remarked that the EFW index  is highly misleading, because it does not properly account for the housing market.  I have also remarked on the &quot;human rights&quot; commissions (glad to see that Will is aware of them).  Let me add a few more random remarks.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; * Michael Drake is right: when Will says: &quot;On the account of freedom, and the weighting of various forms of freedom, that I think is most appealing, I guess Canada or New Zealand would take the top spot&quot;, he might as well say: &quot;Canada is better than the USA because I don&#039;t like the USA&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;* Differences between Canada and the USA are insignificant compared to differences amongst US states and amongst Canadian provinces.  I know because I worked there.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;* Will appears to have an anglophile bias: what&#039;s wrong with Switzerland and Chile? what&#039;s wrong with Estonia and Iceland, for that matter? (apart from very cold weather, which in my opinion is good, because it builds character and deters wimps.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;* The US did not become significantly less free (at least economically), it&#039;s Canada that became significantly more free.  Part of the reason is an Albertan prime minister.  An Alaskan president would do wonders for the US.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;* There is a case to be made for oversimplification to get the message across, but the Marketplace article oversimplifies to such an extent that it could turn people off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have already remarked that the EFW index  is highly misleading, because it does not properly account for the housing market.  I have also remarked on the &#8220;human rights&#8221; commissions (glad to see that Will is aware of them).  Let me add a few more random remarks.</p>
<p> * Michael Drake is right: when Will says: &#8220;On the account of freedom, and the weighting of various forms of freedom, that I think is most appealing, I guess Canada or New Zealand would take the top spot&#8221;, he might as well say: &#8220;Canada is better than the USA because I don&#39;t like the USA&#8221;.</p>
<p>* Differences between Canada and the USA are insignificant compared to differences amongst US states and amongst Canadian provinces.  I know because I worked there.</p>
<p>* Will appears to have an anglophile bias: what&#39;s wrong with Switzerland and Chile? what&#39;s wrong with Estonia and Iceland, for that matter? (apart from very cold weather, which in my opinion is good, because it builds character and deters wimps.)</p>
<p>* The US did not become significantly less free (at least economically), it&#39;s Canada that became significantly more free.  Part of the reason is an Albertan prime minister.  An Alaskan president would do wonders for the US.</p>
<p>* There is a case to be made for oversimplification to get the message across, but the Marketplace article oversimplifies to such an extent that it could turn people off.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert S. Porter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert S. Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 07:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you elaborate? I&#039;d be interested in knowing how Canada is preventing a business from operating more than Sweden.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you elaborate? I&#39;d be interested in knowing how Canada is preventing a business from operating more than Sweden.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert S. Porter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert S. Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 07:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t disagree with you, but one must be careful with the frog and boiling water metaphor: it simply isn&#039;t true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t disagree with you, but one must be careful with the frog and boiling water metaphor: it simply isn&#39;t true.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 05:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the Wall Street Journal/Heritage study, which I think rates the US higher?  Is that inferior?  (Perhaps it is older.)  I know you are a Cato man, but still. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also, if we are relying on studies, what about the freedom house ranking of political freedom?  I quickly checked for 2007 and  both get a 1 for both political rights and civil liberties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the Wall Street Journal/Heritage study, which I think rates the US higher?  Is that inferior?  (Perhaps it is older.)  I know you are a Cato man, but still. </p>
<p>Also, if we are relying on studies, what about the freedom house ranking of political freedom?  I quickly checked for 2007 and  both get a 1 for both political rights and civil liberties.</p>
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		<title>By: turbulenceahead</title>
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		<dc:creator>turbulenceahead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 04:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By making me think about my activities ... ;-)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s not just &#039;looking in the mirror and seeing a police car&#039;, it&#039;s the pervasive sense surveillance and the self-monitoring of behaviour that goes with that.  And the guns of course (they&#039;re for killing people, right?).  Our cops don&#039;t carry guns (nor do the security guys in our shopping malls).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So it&#039;s a state of mind I guess: I feel free when there aren&#039;t any gun bearing policemen around - but others might prefer the security of having a cop on every street corner. America leans way towards the latter, Europe towards the former.  I know which I prefer.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But I will be back I&#039;m sure to holiday in what is still one of the greatest countries in the world :)  Just not an especially free one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By making me think about my activities &#8230; <img src='http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>It&#39;s not just &#39;looking in the mirror and seeing a police car&#39;, it&#39;s the pervasive sense surveillance and the self-monitoring of behaviour that goes with that.  And the guns of course (they&#39;re for killing people, right?).  Our cops don&#39;t carry guns (nor do the security guys in our shopping malls).</p>
<p>So it&#39;s a state of mind I guess: I feel free when there aren&#39;t any gun bearing policemen around &#8211; but others might prefer the security of having a cop on every street corner. America leans way towards the latter, Europe towards the former.  I know which I prefer.</p>
<p>But I will be back I&#39;m sure to holiday in what is still one of the greatest countries in the world <img src='http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Just not an especially free one.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 01:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you do write that piece you might want to consider the following:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1) It&#039;s not just the HRCs. &#039;Hate speech&#039; is also a criminal code offense in Canada. And despite our written constitution, the judiciary are fine with this (all charter rights are subject to a test of their &#039;reasonableness&#039; that you could drive a truck through.&lt;br&gt;2) Speaking of constitutionalism - our charter of rights allows for group rights to be given legal protection (it&#039;s not an accident that Taylor and Kymlicka, despite their differences, are Canucks).&lt;br&gt;3) Real lack of checks and balances - for example, a PM with a majority has a near monopoly on legislative and executive power. He also appoints all of the Senators, the Supreme Court justices and the Govenor-General (which negates that latter&#039;s vestigal prerogative rights - so much for constitutional monarchy). Surely constitutionalism matters at some point!&lt;br&gt;4) The health care system is a total state monopoly - it&#039;s illegal in most provinces to even open a private clinic. Think Castro not Sweden.&lt;br&gt;5) Top marginal tax rate (combined federal and provincial) is 50% or more and kicks in at well under $100,000. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;BTW, Pithlord - I wish they were lawsuits. If they were, truth would be a defense, and Mark and Ezra would be protected by due process. The commissions are a danger to the rule of law.&lt;br&gt;I also think that the G-G having some power re when elections are called is not a bad thing in a parliamentary system as it limits the power of the PM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you do write that piece you might want to consider the following:</p>
<p>1) It&#39;s not just the HRCs. &#39;Hate speech&#39; is also a criminal code offense in Canada. And despite our written constitution, the judiciary are fine with this (all charter rights are subject to a test of their &#39;reasonableness&#39; that you could drive a truck through.<br />2) Speaking of constitutionalism &#8211; our charter of rights allows for group rights to be given legal protection (it&#39;s not an accident that Taylor and Kymlicka, despite their differences, are Canucks).<br />3) Real lack of checks and balances &#8211; for example, a PM with a majority has a near monopoly on legislative and executive power. He also appoints all of the Senators, the Supreme Court justices and the Govenor-General (which negates that latter&#39;s vestigal prerogative rights &#8211; so much for constitutional monarchy). Surely constitutionalism matters at some point!<br />4) The health care system is a total state monopoly &#8211; it&#39;s illegal in most provinces to even open a private clinic. Think Castro not Sweden.<br />5) Top marginal tax rate (combined federal and provincial) is 50% or more and kicks in at well under $100,000. </p>
<p>BTW, Pithlord &#8211; I wish they were lawsuits. If they were, truth would be a defense, and Mark and Ezra would be protected by due process. The commissions are a danger to the rule of law.<br />I also think that the G-G having some power re when elections are called is not a bad thing in a parliamentary system as it limits the power of the PM.</p>
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		<title>By: stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 00:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what is important is not just that rights are guaranteed by te constitution but that people have the abiltiy to exercise those rights. Here i think the USA fails. While they may have individual liberties enshrined in law, they also have much lower social mobility than other (less economically free) nations. Surely when one talks about liberty, the abiltiy to transcend ones place in society at birth must be taken into account.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what is important is not just that rights are guaranteed by te constitution but that people have the abiltiy to exercise those rights. Here i think the USA fails. While they may have individual liberties enshrined in law, they also have much lower social mobility than other (less economically free) nations. Surely when one talks about liberty, the abiltiy to transcend ones place in society at birth must be taken into account.</p>
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		<title>By: Conor Friedersdorf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conor Friedersdorf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d love to commission that piece.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cheers,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Conor Friedersdorf&lt;br&gt;Features Editor&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.culture11.com&quot;&gt;www.culture11.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;d love to commission that piece.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Conor Friedersdorf<br />Features Editor<br /><a href="http://www.culture11.com">http://www.culture11.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: J.D.B</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.D.B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having moved from Sweden, low on the economic freedom, to coastal b.c, supposedly good with the economic freedom; I am just going to say: bring me back to that socialist haven! &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Canada may be good on paper but truly is a communitarian stronghold where advocacy and standards set the table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having moved from Sweden, low on the economic freedom, to coastal b.c, supposedly good with the economic freedom; I am just going to say: bring me back to that socialist haven! </p>
<p>Canada may be good on paper but truly is a communitarian stronghold where advocacy and standards set the table.</p>
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		<title>By: cato</title>
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		<dc:creator>cato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>before you move, seriously consider the difference between on paper freeest and in practice freeest.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;for example, australia is pretty free on paper, but in practice the beauracracy and police are strict rule followers.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;in contrast, germany is a mess of regulation, but much of it seldom enforced. wild parties in berlin suffice as evidence - don&#039;t discount the fun factor of illegal parties. (berlin isn&#039;t exactly the rest of germany either)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;but the largest difference is probably between social and economic. europe is far and away socially freer than anywhere else ive travelled, but its probably a bit harder to start a business.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;enforcement matters, thats also why some developing nations are extremely free in practise. as a brief aside, i parked a rented motorbike (riding around sans helmet) in a no stopping zone overnight in phuket, thailand. in australia this would have resulted in a $300 fine. there, some nice locals simply carried my bike to the other side of the street in the middle of the night, and parked it legally, without me even knowing. great people!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>before you move, seriously consider the difference between on paper freeest and in practice freeest.</p>
<p>for example, australia is pretty free on paper, but in practice the beauracracy and police are strict rule followers.</p>
<p>in contrast, germany is a mess of regulation, but much of it seldom enforced. wild parties in berlin suffice as evidence &#8211; don&#39;t discount the fun factor of illegal parties. (berlin isn&#39;t exactly the rest of germany either)</p>
<p>but the largest difference is probably between social and economic. europe is far and away socially freer than anywhere else ive travelled, but its probably a bit harder to start a business.</p>
<p>enforcement matters, thats also why some developing nations are extremely free in practise. as a brief aside, i parked a rented motorbike (riding around sans helmet) in a no stopping zone overnight in phuket, thailand. in australia this would have resulted in a $300 fine. there, some nice locals simply carried my bike to the other side of the street in the middle of the night, and parked it legally, without me even knowing. great people!</p>
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		<title>By: Pithlord</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pithlord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea that constiutional monarchy is a serious infringement on liberty is very, very, very silly. Whatever the problems with Kerr-Whitlam, it was surely a gain for liberty.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I do not defend human rights commissions, but I also think it is worth noting that neither Ezra Levant nor Mark Steyn have actually lost their cases. The mere possibility of frivolous lawsuits is undoubtedly a bad thing, but perspective is needed.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, I will say that my country&#039;s refusal to allow people to purchase private medical insurance is both a serious infringement of liberty and widely accepted in the political culture. On education, Canada and the US are about equal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea that constiutional monarchy is a serious infringement on liberty is very, very, very silly. Whatever the problems with Kerr-Whitlam, it was surely a gain for liberty.</p>
<p>I do not defend human rights commissions, but I also think it is worth noting that neither Ezra Levant nor Mark Steyn have actually lost their cases. The mere possibility of frivolous lawsuits is undoubtedly a bad thing, but perspective is needed.</p>
<p>However, I will say that my country&#39;s refusal to allow people to purchase private medical insurance is both a serious infringement of liberty and widely accepted in the political culture. On education, Canada and the US are about equal.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Drake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Drake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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