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		<title>By: This and That.</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/08/02/ranting-cant/comment-page-1/#comment-581893</link>
		<dc:creator>This and That.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 03:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Here&#8217;s an entry on a blog that&#8217;s new to me, The Fly Bottle. [Don&#039;t ask.] A sample: Climate eschatology really is the ultimate in big lie crisis politics. The far-left has failed so comprehensively to make the case for its vision of society and economy that the only thing left to do is to brazenly and repeatedly assert that the world will literally collapse unless we implement this otherwise indefensible vision. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Here&#8217;s an entry on a blog that&#8217;s new to me, The Fly Bottle. [Don't ask.] A sample: Climate eschatology really is the ultimate in big lie crisis politics. The far-left has failed so comprehensively to make the case for its vision of society and economy that the only thing left to do is to brazenly and repeatedly assert that the world will literally collapse unless we implement this otherwise indefensible vision. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Whig</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/08/02/ranting-cant/comment-page-1/#comment-582872</link>
		<dc:creator>Whig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*Why assume bad faith and corrupt motives? Can&#039;t they just disagree with your assessment of the world and what the factual evidence says about it?*&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But this is exactly the modus operandi of the climate-change fanatics: it is THEY who are characterized by a failure to make scientific statements.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for `the climatologists&#039;, you&#039;ll find that their actual peer-reviewed statements on climate change are a great deal more... nuanced than the fanatics - chief among them Al Gore - are ready to make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*Why assume bad faith and corrupt motives? Can&#39;t they just disagree with your assessment of the world and what the factual evidence says about it?*</p>
<p>But this is exactly the modus operandi of the climate-change fanatics: it is THEY who are characterized by a failure to make scientific statements.</p>
<p>As for `the climatologists&#39;, you&#39;ll find that their actual peer-reviewed statements on climate change are a great deal more&#8230; nuanced than the fanatics &#8211; chief among them Al Gore &#8211; are ready to make.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/08/02/ranting-cant/comment-page-1/#comment-582871</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 02:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also Eric - there&#039;s no such thing as &#039;clean&#039; anything (water,air,or whatever you care to name).  You may want to look up the word &#039;inundated&#039; before you use it to describe the level of contaminants in our water supply.  And finally, what mathematics say we can&#039;t keep living like this - I bet is says the same for life period!  Get a grip and wake up - in 10 years when this nonsense has been replaced by the next idiocy of the collectivists you&#039;ll either be wise to them and laugh - or you&#039;re gonna have a pretty sad life (and it&#039;ll be way longer than you think - just to twist the knife).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also Eric &#8211; there&#39;s no such thing as &#39;clean&#39; anything (water,air,or whatever you care to name).  You may want to look up the word &#39;inundated&#39; before you use it to describe the level of contaminants in our water supply.  And finally, what mathematics say we can&#39;t keep living like this &#8211; I bet is says the same for life period!  Get a grip and wake up &#8211; in 10 years when this nonsense has been replaced by the next idiocy of the collectivists you&#39;ll either be wise to them and laugh &#8211; or you&#39;re gonna have a pretty sad life (and it&#39;ll be way longer than you think &#8211; just to twist the knife).</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/08/02/ranting-cant/comment-page-1/#comment-582870</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 02:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric - I&#039;ll take a little pollution rather than go back to living in caves.  We&#039;ve never lived longer so I doubt the link between pollution and health is anywhere near as strong as the one between poverty and death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric &#8211; I&#39;ll take a little pollution rather than go back to living in caves.  We&#39;ve never lived longer so I doubt the link between pollution and health is anywhere near as strong as the one between poverty and death.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/08/02/ranting-cant/comment-page-1/#comment-582853</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because everyone in America that is suffering right now, is suffering because they don&#039;t &quot;work hard enough&quot; or &quot;don&#039;t deserve any help.&quot; Give me a break.  Those with incomes of over 250,000 per year should have the obligation of being taxed equally.  There is no reason why a millionaire should be taxed less than someone who makes under 50,000.  Say what you want about &quot;I worked hard for my money&quot; but I&#039;ll bet you anything that you can find millions of people who are struggling who work just as hard if not harder for their 45,000/yr. than their millionaire counterparts.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Oh and as for the right&#039;s claims that all democrats want to do is &#039;tax and spend,&quot; last time I remember, Democrats left this country with a surplus, Bush and his cronies have left us with a record deficit.  Give me a balanced budget and higher taxes for the rich any day.  &lt;br&gt;stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because everyone in America that is suffering right now, is suffering because they don&#39;t &#8220;work hard enough&#8221; or &#8220;don&#39;t deserve any help.&#8221; Give me a break.  Those with incomes of over 250,000 per year should have the obligation of being taxed equally.  There is no reason why a millionaire should be taxed less than someone who makes under 50,000.  Say what you want about &#8220;I worked hard for my money&#8221; but I&#39;ll bet you anything that you can find millions of people who are struggling who work just as hard if not harder for their 45,000/yr. than their millionaire counterparts.  </p>
<p>Oh and as for the right&#39;s claims that all democrats want to do is &#39;tax and spend,&#8221; last time I remember, Democrats left this country with a surplus, Bush and his cronies have left us with a record deficit.  Give me a balanced budget and higher taxes for the rich any day.  <br />stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Texan99</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/08/02/ranting-cant/comment-page-1/#comment-582869</link>
		<dc:creator>Texan99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric:  I don&#039;t react well to being given false pretexts for what people want to force me to do.  If there&#039;s a real reason hiding under there, out with it, and I&#039;ll make up my own mind on each proposed action.  No need to snooker me into it &quot;for my own good.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric:  I don&#39;t react well to being given false pretexts for what people want to force me to do.  If there&#39;s a real reason hiding under there, out with it, and I&#39;ll make up my own mind on each proposed action.  No need to snooker me into it &#8220;for my own good.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: jp</title>
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		<dc:creator>jp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They can&#039;t get the path of a hurricane correct. And people still believe the PREDICTIONS of computers for global warming, that amazes me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They can&#39;t get the path of a hurricane correct. And people still believe the PREDICTIONS of computers for global warming, that amazes me.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/08/02/ranting-cant/comment-page-1/#comment-582852</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No - the lefts argument is &quot;Since all you rich people use too much we are going to take what you work for and give it away, no matter what the person we giving it to has done to desrve any help.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;When you give half of your salery away then I might use you as an example, until then go away - far, far away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No &#8211; the lefts argument is &#8220;Since all you rich people use too much we are going to take what you work for and give it away, no matter what the person we giving it to has done to desrve any help.&#8221;</p>
<p>When you give half of your salery away then I might use you as an example, until then go away &#8211; far, far away.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What exactly are the environmentalists trying to get you to do in order to combat global warming, that you shouldn&#039;t be doing anyway to live in a healthier, more sustainable way?  Nothing.  Everything they&#039;ve asked you to do, you should be doing for a multitude of reasons besides the chance that the global climate may change.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Remember that pollution (not just greenhouse gases) is BAD for you?  Affects your lungs?  Gets in your water?  Affects the brains of developing embryos?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Don&#039;t people realize that our drinking water is inundated with prescription drugs and agricultural chemicals?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The point is that we can&#039;t (mathematically impossible) continue living the way we&#039;re living indefinitely.  We are approaching the right-wall of our ability to expand.  We HAVE to change.  Only a deluded fool would deny that.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So why the level of animosity towards the people trying to spur us into action, trying to prevent catastrophe?  We know we have to change, so why NOT start now?  Because we&#039;re lazy, entitled, spoiled, and completely sheltered from reality.  Not because of any conspiracies either way.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So the next time you think about what a whackjob some environmentalist or another is ... take a moment to actually consider what they&#039;re asking you to do, and you&#039;ll realize that what they&#039;re asking you to do may be uncomfortable, but is better for you in the long run WHETHER OR NOT GLOBAL WARMING ITSELF is the danger.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m disappointed that the environmentalists have let the entire discussion be reduced to just whether or not human activity will increase the overall temperature of the climate.  Temperature isn&#039;t the only thing that is killing us.  Overpopulation, pollution, and damage to our biological communities will kill us too, and they require the same solutions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What exactly are the environmentalists trying to get you to do in order to combat global warming, that you shouldn&#39;t be doing anyway to live in a healthier, more sustainable way?  Nothing.  Everything they&#39;ve asked you to do, you should be doing for a multitude of reasons besides the chance that the global climate may change.  </p>
<p>Remember that pollution (not just greenhouse gases) is BAD for you?  Affects your lungs?  Gets in your water?  Affects the brains of developing embryos?</p>
<p>Don&#39;t people realize that our drinking water is inundated with prescription drugs and agricultural chemicals?</p>
<p>The point is that we can&#39;t (mathematically impossible) continue living the way we&#39;re living indefinitely.  We are approaching the right-wall of our ability to expand.  We HAVE to change.  Only a deluded fool would deny that.</p>
<p>So why the level of animosity towards the people trying to spur us into action, trying to prevent catastrophe?  We know we have to change, so why NOT start now?  Because we&#39;re lazy, entitled, spoiled, and completely sheltered from reality.  Not because of any conspiracies either way.  </p>
<p>So the next time you think about what a whackjob some environmentalist or another is &#8230; take a moment to actually consider what they&#39;re asking you to do, and you&#39;ll realize that what they&#39;re asking you to do may be uncomfortable, but is better for you in the long run WHETHER OR NOT GLOBAL WARMING ITSELF is the danger.  </p>
<p>I&#39;m disappointed that the environmentalists have let the entire discussion be reduced to just whether or not human activity will increase the overall temperature of the climate.  Temperature isn&#39;t the only thing that is killing us.  Overpopulation, pollution, and damage to our biological communities will kill us too, and they require the same solutions.</p>
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		<title>By: Texan99</title>
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		<dc:creator>Texan99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, cthulhu hit the nail right on the head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, cthulhu hit the nail right on the head.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/08/02/ranting-cant/comment-page-1/#comment-582861</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the historical existence of Jesus is pretty dubious, and if there was any single such individual, the one thing that&#039;s absolutely certain is that he was *not* born 2008 years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the historical existence of Jesus is pretty dubious, and if there was any single such individual, the one thing that&#39;s absolutely certain is that he was *not* born 2008 years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Parabellum</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/08/02/ranting-cant/comment-page-1/#comment-582865</link>
		<dc:creator>Parabellum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Modern environmentalists are the first group in the history of this planet to be concerned that the planet is getting warmer, rather than cooler.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They are also the first group arrogant enough to believe that they can change the planet&#039;s climate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Modern environmentalists are the first group in the history of this planet to be concerned that the planet is getting warmer, rather than cooler.</p>
<p>They are also the first group arrogant enough to believe that they can change the planet&#39;s climate.</p>
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		<title>By: cthulhu</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/08/02/ranting-cant/comment-page-1/#comment-582864</link>
		<dc:creator>cthulhu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing that hit me immediately when all the AGW pronouncements and panics started hitting the media was how it all missed the &quot;medieval warm&quot; period.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;During this period, the Vikings had colonized Greenland and were farming there. I&#039;ve flown to Europe, I&#039;ve seen southern Greenland from the air -- if they were raising crops there, climate was very, very different than today.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So I know that climate has been changing toward the cooler side of things for a thousand years. I also know that there have been ice ages where much of Europe and North America were encased. If I were to be worried about climate change, it would make sense that I should be more fearful of Natural Global Cooling than Anthropogenic Global Warming.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That Global Warming theorists have been thoroughly infiltrated by Luddites and &quot;environmental&quot; political groups enthralled by a Hobbesian state of nature (&quot;nasty, brutish, and short&quot;) only reinforces the initial perception. People who look to strangle the world&#039;s economy, doom billions to economic stagnation, and enforce total elitist control over all activities producing CO2 (including breathing) should be fought at every turn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing that hit me immediately when all the AGW pronouncements and panics started hitting the media was how it all missed the &#8220;medieval warm&#8221; period.</p>
<p>During this period, the Vikings had colonized Greenland and were farming there. I&#39;ve flown to Europe, I&#39;ve seen southern Greenland from the air &#8212; if they were raising crops there, climate was very, very different than today.</p>
<p>So I know that climate has been changing toward the cooler side of things for a thousand years. I also know that there have been ice ages where much of Europe and North America were encased. If I were to be worried about climate change, it would make sense that I should be more fearful of Natural Global Cooling than Anthropogenic Global Warming.</p>
<p>That Global Warming theorists have been thoroughly infiltrated by Luddites and &#8220;environmental&#8221; political groups enthralled by a Hobbesian state of nature (&#8220;nasty, brutish, and short&#8221;) only reinforces the initial perception. People who look to strangle the world&#39;s economy, doom billions to economic stagnation, and enforce total elitist control over all activities producing CO2 (including breathing) should be fought at every turn.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 02:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fellas, perhaps you should take some classes on this subject before you start talking about it? The temperature change observed over the past 100 years is .5 degrees Celsius +/- .3 degrees Celsius. What does that tell us besides that there was a change in temperature where temperature was gathered? Nothing. Everything beyond that is an educated guess. Was it the agricultural revolution and the rise in methane levels that got us here? or the industrial revolution? increased solar activity? Who knows? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; What we do know is that the earth is not the fragile, helpless thing it is so often claimed to be (If theres one thing I hate about arguments like these, it&#039;s the idea that we need to keep the earth the way it is. Really? When we have already stalled the scheduled ice age that would have people raving about global winter? I am rambling ). The younger dryas (look it up, it will be good for you), the cretaceous, where temperatures were 6 degrees Celsius hotter, the little ice age, whatever- life *adapts* to change, always had, always will.  So then the earth does also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fellas, perhaps you should take some classes on this subject before you start talking about it? The temperature change observed over the past 100 years is .5 degrees Celsius +/- .3 degrees Celsius. What does that tell us besides that there was a change in temperature where temperature was gathered? Nothing. Everything beyond that is an educated guess. Was it the agricultural revolution and the rise in methane levels that got us here? or the industrial revolution? increased solar activity? Who knows? </p>
<p> What we do know is that the earth is not the fragile, helpless thing it is so often claimed to be (If theres one thing I hate about arguments like these, it&#39;s the idea that we need to keep the earth the way it is. Really? When we have already stalled the scheduled ice age that would have people raving about global winter? I am rambling ). The younger dryas (look it up, it will be good for you), the cretaceous, where temperatures were 6 degrees Celsius hotter, the little ice age, whatever- life *adapts* to change, always had, always will.  So then the earth does also.</p>
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		<title>By: crash</title>
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		<dc:creator>crash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Science has shown that the climate has shifted from hot to cold due to catastrophic events like comets colliding into the Earth and wiping out a majority of species on the planet. The norm is HOT and WITHOUT glaciers... But don&#039;t worry! It WILL happen again! Give it a millennium or two! IF people would look into the real science and not the tall tales given by extremists, then there would not be such panic over nothing. However, it gives the politicos a means of deflecting our attention from important problems such as the people in office should be tarred and feathered and new people put into office, perhaps without the R or D party affiliations...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Science has shown that the climate has shifted from hot to cold due to catastrophic events like comets colliding into the Earth and wiping out a majority of species on the planet. The norm is HOT and WITHOUT glaciers&#8230; But don&#39;t worry! It WILL happen again! Give it a millennium or two! IF people would look into the real science and not the tall tales given by extremists, then there would not be such panic over nothing. However, it gives the politicos a means of deflecting our attention from important problems such as the people in office should be tarred and feathered and new people put into office, perhaps without the R or D party affiliations&#8230;</p>
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