Comments on: Equality or Priority, Again http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/05/14/equality-or-priority-again/ The Sweet Release of Reason Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:46:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: a Duoist http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/05/14/equality-or-priority-again/#comment-580241 a Duoist Fri, 16 May 2008 02:50:14 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=1448#comment-580241 "If you come to feel that involved plans tend to be dashed and that resisting gratification leaves you with less than you could have had, you’ll learn not to form involved plans or defer desire. I think having consistently enough money is a major factor in developing the sense that long-term projects can be successfully carried through. But having enough is itself largely a function of being able to carry through long-term plans. Poverty can be so pernicious precisely because it carries with it the conditions for its own reinforcement." This describes the play between the two major factors of the many factors that make up human psychology: fallibilism (the Pessimist's world-view) and improvability (the Optimist's world-view). For the fallibilist, pain and suffering place 'helplessness' as the ultimate moral value. To the improvabilist, pain and suffering are to ameliorated as the goal of improving, but not by making the emotional blackmail of 'helplessness.' Hard work and defering immediate gratification are hallmarks of optimism; cooperation and immediate consumption are hallmarks of pessimism. Poverty is a self-perpetuating anchor to the pessimist's world-view; to the optimist, today's poverty is but a spur to greater sustained effort. The two world-views are eternally opposed; either poverty crushes, or it emboldens. “If you come to feel that involved plans tend to be dashed and that resisting gratification leaves you with less than you could have had, you’ll learn not to form involved plans or defer desire. I think having consistently enough money is a major factor in developing the sense that long-term projects can be successfully carried through. But having enough is itself largely a function of being able to carry through long-term plans. Poverty can be so pernicious precisely because it carries with it the conditions for its own reinforcement.”

This describes the play between the two major factors of the many factors that make up human psychology: fallibilism (the Pessimist’s world-view) and improvability (the Optimist’s world-view). For the fallibilist, pain and suffering place ‘helplessness’ as the ultimate moral value. To the improvabilist, pain and suffering are to ameliorated as the goal of improving, but not by making the emotional blackmail of ‘helplessness.’

Hard work and defering immediate gratification are hallmarks of optimism; cooperation and immediate consumption are hallmarks of pessimism. Poverty is a self-perpetuating anchor to the pessimist’s world-view; to the optimist, today’s poverty is but a spur to greater sustained effort.

The two world-views are eternally opposed; either poverty crushes, or it emboldens.

]]> By: matt http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/05/14/equality-or-priority-again/#comment-580225 matt Thu, 15 May 2008 14:59:01 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=1448#comment-580225 My impression was that much of the pain and health difference among income (and education) levels had to do with dangerous and hard work. The poorly educated do jobs where one is much more likely to be injured or just get sore. They also pay less. (Rational) time preference surely comes in to play but it's also hardly the only issue. (Access to health care is of course also a big factor.) My impression was that much of the pain and health difference among income (and education) levels had to do with dangerous and hard work. The poorly educated do jobs where one is much more likely to be injured or just get sore. They also pay less. (Rational) time preference surely comes in to play but it’s also hardly the only issue. (Access to health care is of course also a big factor.)

]]> By: Matt McIntosh http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/05/14/equality-or-priority-again/#comment-580204 Matt McIntosh Thu, 15 May 2008 03:02:53 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=1448#comment-580204 This paper by James Heckman might be of interest: http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/104/33/13250 This paper by James Heckman might be of interest:

http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/104/33/13250

]]> By: pushmedia1 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/05/14/equality-or-priority-again/#comment-580202 pushmedia1 Thu, 15 May 2008 01:14:39 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=1448#comment-580202 I think folks believe "stuff" inequality causes those other sorts of inequality, Robert Frank style. I think folks believe “stuff” inequality causes those other sorts of inequality, Robert Frank style.

]]> By: Utilitarian http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/05/14/equality-or-priority-again/#comment-580201 Utilitarian Thu, 15 May 2008 01:12:20 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=1448#comment-580201 There are also effects of cognitive ability on health independent of time preference, education, and SES. www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/2004fundamentalcause.pdf http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/329/7466/585 http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.0963-7214.2004.01301001.x?journalCode=cdir There are also effects of cognitive ability on health independent of time preference, education, and SES.
http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/2004fundamentalcause.pdf
http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/329/7466/585
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.0963-7214.2004.01301001.x?journalCode=cdir

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