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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jefferson was the man. I think we can all agree that slavery was terrible, Jefferson knew this himself. I&#039;m sorry you&#039;re so offended but Thomas Jefferson did more for the founding of this country&#039;s government than any other single man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jefferson was the man. I think we can all agree that slavery was terrible, Jefferson knew this himself. I&#39;m sorry you&#39;re so offended but Thomas Jefferson did more for the founding of this country&#39;s government than any other single man.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Newman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Newman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 04:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting conversation.  I just finished Chernow&#039;s bio of Hamilton, which I strongly recommend to anyone, but particularly to his vehement detractors.  He&#039;s a fascinating character who was both amazingly prescient and, from a libertarian perspective, dangerously wrong about important things.  I actually think he&#039;s an object lesson in how the siren call of statism can attract intelligent, moral people who really do want to do good.   The political difference between him and Jefferson can be characterized simply as follows:  Jefferson&#039;s bete noir was executive tyranny; Hamilton&#039;s was mob rule.  As libertarians, I think we can agree that either outcome is undesirable, and from there proceed dispassionately to evaluate in a nuanced way the blindspots each man suffered.  Demonizing Hamilton and lionizing Jefferson simply doesn&#039;t do them justice.  In terms of individual character, I actually think it&#039;s hard to deny that Hamilton was the more admirable of the two, but he was also undeniably the first best example in our history of the &quot;fatal conceit.&quot;   But give the man some credit: he was a self made man, and the only one among the major founders (except Franklin) who actually understood and appreciated capitalism.  Jefferson wasn&#039;t just against a central bank; he was against any bank at all and inveighed against capital finance as nothing more than gambling.  The anti-capitalist rhetoric of modern American liberalism starts with him.  Yes, Hamilton was far too ready to use central power to set up and fund the institutions he thought America needed to hold its own against the European powers. At least he was coherent and consistent. Jefferson and Madison wanted to do without taxes and standing armies, which is great so long as you have some other way to save the country from war.  Instead they instigated conflict with England, and finally got us a war that we were unable to fight.  Yes, Hamilton put too much power in the federal government and the executive, but he also (unlike Jefferson) respected the importance of an independent judiciary that could reign it in.  Jefferson postured (rightly) against the Sedition Act on constitutional grounds, but had no problem with (indeed, abetted) state courts persecuting Federalist journalists.  Meanwhile, Hamilton as a private lawyer is responsible for enshrining the principle that truth is a defense to libel.  In short, reality is far more interesting than bad Hamilton good Jefferson, or vice versa.  I for one wish the two men had been able to respect and learn from each other. Someone who combined Hamilton&#039;s administrative brilliance, practical mind, and understanding of business with Jefferson&#039;s wariness of centralized power would have been a great founder indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting conversation.  I just finished Chernow&#8217;s bio of Hamilton, which I strongly recommend to anyone, but particularly to his vehement detractors.  He&#8217;s a fascinating character who was both amazingly prescient and, from a libertarian perspective, dangerously wrong about important things.  I actually think he&#8217;s an object lesson in how the siren call of statism can attract intelligent, moral people who really do want to do good.   The political difference between him and Jefferson can be characterized simply as follows:  Jefferson&#8217;s bete noir was executive tyranny; Hamilton&#8217;s was mob rule.  As libertarians, I think we can agree that either outcome is undesirable, and from there proceed dispassionately to evaluate in a nuanced way the blindspots each man suffered.  Demonizing Hamilton and lionizing Jefferson simply doesn&#8217;t do them justice.  In terms of individual character, I actually think it&#8217;s hard to deny that Hamilton was the more admirable of the two, but he was also undeniably the first best example in our history of the &#8220;fatal conceit.&#8221;   But give the man some credit: he was a self made man, and the only one among the major founders (except Franklin) who actually understood and appreciated capitalism.  Jefferson wasn&#8217;t just against a central bank; he was against any bank at all and inveighed against capital finance as nothing more than gambling.  The anti-capitalist rhetoric of modern American liberalism starts with him.  Yes, Hamilton was far too ready to use central power to set up and fund the institutions he thought America needed to hold its own against the European powers. At least he was coherent and consistent. Jefferson and Madison wanted to do without taxes and standing armies, which is great so long as you have some other way to save the country from war.  Instead they instigated conflict with England, and finally got us a war that we were unable to fight.  Yes, Hamilton put too much power in the federal government and the executive, but he also (unlike Jefferson) respected the importance of an independent judiciary that could reign it in.  Jefferson postured (rightly) against the Sedition Act on constitutional grounds, but had no problem with (indeed, abetted) state courts persecuting Federalist journalists.  Meanwhile, Hamilton as a private lawyer is responsible for enshrining the principle that truth is a defense to libel.  In short, reality is far more interesting than bad Hamilton good Jefferson, or vice versa.  I for one wish the two men had been able to respect and learn from each other. Someone who combined Hamilton&#8217;s administrative brilliance, practical mind, and understanding of business with Jefferson&#8217;s wariness of centralized power would have been a great founder indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Rad Geek People&#8217;s Daily 2008-04-18 &#8211; Just shut the fuck up</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rad Geek People&#8217;s Daily 2008-04-18 &#8211; Just shut the fuck up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8212;Will Wilkinson (2008-04-07), comments on ABJ @ The Fly Bottle &#8230; what I would like to stress, at the moment, is that if you ever, ever find yourself thinking that it might possibly be appropriate to reply to a remark like that by saying something like this: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8212;Will Wilkinson (2008-04-07), comments on ABJ @ The Fly Bottle &#8230; what I would like to stress, at the moment, is that if you ever, ever find yourself thinking that it might possibly be appropriate to reply to a remark like that by saying something like this: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pages tagged "baleful"</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pages tagged "baleful"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 06:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Micha Ghertner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Micha Ghertner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about self-reductio...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about self-reductio&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will, give me some of what you are smoking, I could use an escape from reality. You ask do you really think a central bank is worse than owning other human beings? Well yes I do. because actual slavery was eventually abolished, but the central bank is still arouond and it has made slaves of us all. There is no difference, in fact, the bank is worse because it is slowly bleeding the country to death and no one is seriously talking about getting rid of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will, give me some of what you are smoking, I could use an escape from reality. You ask do you really think a central bank is worse than owning other human beings? Well yes I do. because actual slavery was eventually abolished, but the central bank is still arouond and it has made slaves of us all. There is no difference, in fact, the bank is worse because it is slowly bleeding the country to death and no one is seriously talking about getting rid of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephan Kinsella</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/04/07/abj/comment-page-1/#comment-578806</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephan Kinsella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And in a weird twist, we have ultra-PC, Sandefur, who finds racism under any rock and attacks federalists and decentralist as know-nothing neo-confederate yahoos, &lt;a href=&quot;http://sandefur.typepad.com/freespace/2008/04/happy-birthday.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;saying he loves Jefferson: &quot;Jefferson is the person in history I most admire.&quot; Despite Jefferson&#039;s ownership of slaves and his extreme federalism (e.g. the &lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.mises.org/archives/003811.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kentucky Resolution&lt;/a&gt;), which normally calls down the righteous, smug, sanctimonous wrath of PC Sandefur.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And in a weird twist, we have ultra-PC, Sandefur, who finds racism under any rock and attacks federalists and decentralist as know-nothing neo-confederate yahoos, <a href="http://sandefur.typepad.com/freespace/2008/04/happy-birthday.html" rel="nofollow">saying he loves Jefferson: &#8220;Jefferson is the person in history I most admire.&#8221; Despite Jefferson&#8217;s ownership of slaves and his extreme federalism (e.g. the </a><a href="http://blog.mises.org/archives/003811.asp" rel="nofollow">Kentucky Resolution</a>), which normally calls down the righteous, smug, sanctimonous wrath of PC Sandefur.</p>
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		<title>By: wow</title>
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		<dc:creator>wow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All you people trying to find consistency in historical figures: Jefferson was ALWAYS a libertarian, Hamilton ALWAYS did X...

These arguments really only hold water in the face of ignorance--no one is ever entirely consistent, and if you think so, it is only because you have not yet heard of their inconsistencies.

Good luck trying to find the &quot;universal&quot; Libertarian, or whatever you&#039;re after.

Meanwhile, I&#039;ll attempt questions that have a better chance of being answered, like whether God exists or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All you people trying to find consistency in historical figures: Jefferson was ALWAYS a libertarian, Hamilton ALWAYS did X&#8230;</p>
<p>These arguments really only hold water in the face of ignorance&#8211;no one is ever entirely consistent, and if you think so, it is only because you have not yet heard of their inconsistencies.</p>
<p>Good luck trying to find the &#8220;universal&#8221; Libertarian, or whatever you&#8217;re after.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, I&#8217;ll attempt questions that have a better chance of being answered, like whether God exists or not.</p>
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		<title>By: macsimcon</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/04/07/abj/comment-page-1/#comment-578795</link>
		<dc:creator>macsimcon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now hold on a second. Painting Hamilton as an authoritarian who would approve of our malignant government is simply preposterous.

It&#039;s true that Hamilton argued for a stronger central government at the Convention, but when he didn&#039;t get it, he still argued stridently for ratification anyway. There is just no way that he could have written the Federalist Papers with the Constitution&#039;s author had he favored the monarchical form of government his detractors claim he did.

Hamilton didn&#039;t want a Bill of Rights; he wanted it clear that by addressing only those rights bestowed upon the Federal government, all other rights not mentioned were given to the states themselves, an argument which could have been made by Jefferson himself.

It&#039;s indisputable that Hamilton wanted a stronger central government, but I&#039;ve found no proof that he wanted what we have today: a federal government which uses the commerce clause to essentially steal rights from the states whenever it sees fit. Hamilton was a strong proponent of Madison&#039;s creation, and he made articulate arguments in the Federalist Papers of the virtues of a more balanced system of government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now hold on a second. Painting Hamilton as an authoritarian who would approve of our malignant government is simply preposterous.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that Hamilton argued for a stronger central government at the Convention, but when he didn&#8217;t get it, he still argued stridently for ratification anyway. There is just no way that he could have written the Federalist Papers with the Constitution&#8217;s author had he favored the monarchical form of government his detractors claim he did.</p>
<p>Hamilton didn&#8217;t want a Bill of Rights; he wanted it clear that by addressing only those rights bestowed upon the Federal government, all other rights not mentioned were given to the states themselves, an argument which could have been made by Jefferson himself.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s indisputable that Hamilton wanted a stronger central government, but I&#8217;ve found no proof that he wanted what we have today: a federal government which uses the commerce clause to essentially steal rights from the states whenever it sees fit. Hamilton was a strong proponent of Madison&#8217;s creation, and he made articulate arguments in the Federalist Papers of the virtues of a more balanced system of government.</p>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hamilton would love the nation today and Jefferson would hate it.  Hamilton would love our intertwined banking and taxation system and its ability to support a jugernaut of a military.  He would love our unbelivably large beuracracy and support the tyranny created by the federal reserve.  Though Hamilton&#039;s ambitions were not to assist the elite his polices were very aristocratic and have lead to the oligarchy in which we reside.
While Jefferson had his flaws and did believe his short comings (most notable slavery) would be ended if not within soon after his time, his fundamental beliefs in the good nature of people, representative government, and the ability of commerce to flourish without government regulation is why he is the best libertarian.  Unfortunately one needs to separate Jefferson&#039;s actions from his ideals.  Though his actions were flawed, he captured a true understanding of Freedom.  James Madison is a close second to a patriarch for freedom.  Both would be astounded by our nation&#039;s national debt and use of fear to supress the people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hamilton would love the nation today and Jefferson would hate it.  Hamilton would love our intertwined banking and taxation system and its ability to support a jugernaut of a military.  He would love our unbelivably large beuracracy and support the tyranny created by the federal reserve.  Though Hamilton&#8217;s ambitions were not to assist the elite his polices were very aristocratic and have lead to the oligarchy in which we reside.<br />
While Jefferson had his flaws and did believe his short comings (most notable slavery) would be ended if not within soon after his time, his fundamental beliefs in the good nature of people, representative government, and the ability of commerce to flourish without government regulation is why he is the best libertarian.  Unfortunately one needs to separate Jefferson&#8217;s actions from his ideals.  Though his actions were flawed, he captured a true understanding of Freedom.  James Madison is a close second to a patriarch for freedom.  Both would be astounded by our nation&#8217;s national debt and use of fear to supress the people.</p>
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		<title>By: blewsdawg Rick Caldwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>blewsdawg Rick Caldwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 00:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...keep in mind that if he had released his slaves...

Damn laptop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;keep in mind that if he had released his slaves&#8230;</p>
<p>Damn laptop.</p>
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		<title>By: blewsdawg Rick Caldwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>blewsdawg Rick Caldwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 00:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding TJ&#039;s ownership of slaves, keep in mind that if he had, those very slaves would have been re-enslaved  within days. Virginia, North Carolina and Maryland all had laws requiring freed black slaves to leave those states within fifteen days, or be subject to re-enslavement. The northern states, though free, had no shortage of bounty hunters willing to capture a black people and return them to the south. Hamilton himself did so himself a few times. Many of these bounty hunters had no problem capturing legitimately freed slaves under false pretenses, and turning them over to auction houses in the nearest slave state.

By all accounts, if one had to be a slave in Jefferson&#039;s time, Monticello was the least objectionable place to be one. Jefferson&#039;s alternative was certain re-enslavement of his slaves somewhere that was certain to be worse. Until slavery was abolished, what else was he to do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding TJ&#8217;s ownership of slaves, keep in mind that if he had, those very slaves would have been re-enslaved  within days. Virginia, North Carolina and Maryland all had laws requiring freed black slaves to leave those states within fifteen days, or be subject to re-enslavement. The northern states, though free, had no shortage of bounty hunters willing to capture a black people and return them to the south. Hamilton himself did so himself a few times. Many of these bounty hunters had no problem capturing legitimately freed slaves under false pretenses, and turning them over to auction houses in the nearest slave state.</p>
<p>By all accounts, if one had to be a slave in Jefferson&#8217;s time, Monticello was the least objectionable place to be one. Jefferson&#8217;s alternative was certain re-enslavement of his slaves somewhere that was certain to be worse. Until slavery was abolished, what else was he to do?</p>
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		<title>By: Nikhil Bhat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nikhil Bhat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To those that are horrified that anyone doesn&#039;t prostrate before TJ: Most, if not all, of the tired tripe about Hamilton supporting monarchy and some sort of onerous hyper-Keynesian centrally-controlled state comes to us from his political enemies.  To be sure, he was no angel; in his habit of being suckered by a friendly face or a damsel in distress (Maria Reynolds), he was dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb.

But his contributions to public finance (his bond refinancing basically being the only thing keeping the federal government solvent), defense of a central government capable of keeping the US safe in the midst of Democrat-Republican bellicosity, and work with the anti-slavery societies in NYC is too often ignored.  Basically, using what popular history knows of him (his infamous duel aside) to judge him is akin to future generations judging Ron Paul by Daily Kos&#039;s screeds about the honorable Dr. Paul in the midst of the silly newsletter kerfuffle.

As to his being a neo-con, it&#039;s worth noting that it was Jefferson&#039;s Democrat-Republicans who were celebrating the bloodbath in revolutionary France and calling for war against England, even though they steadfastly refused to put in place the mechanisms (a strong military and sound public finance) that were necessary to wage war against any European power.  They finally got one eight years after Hamilton&#039;s death, and it resulted in our ruthless invasion of another nation, and our tiny capital being burnt to the ground.  The same contemporary media that demonized Hamilton likes to call this a &quot;victory&quot;.

But hey, I understand that giving a pragmatist even a modicum of credit would ruin the fun of idolizing an idealist.  So carry on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To those that are horrified that anyone doesn&#8217;t prostrate before TJ: Most, if not all, of the tired tripe about Hamilton supporting monarchy and some sort of onerous hyper-Keynesian centrally-controlled state comes to us from his political enemies.  To be sure, he was no angel; in his habit of being suckered by a friendly face or a damsel in distress (Maria Reynolds), he was dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb.</p>
<p>But his contributions to public finance (his bond refinancing basically being the only thing keeping the federal government solvent), defense of a central government capable of keeping the US safe in the midst of Democrat-Republican bellicosity, and work with the anti-slavery societies in NYC is too often ignored.  Basically, using what popular history knows of him (his infamous duel aside) to judge him is akin to future generations judging Ron Paul by Daily Kos&#8217;s screeds about the honorable Dr. Paul in the midst of the silly newsletter kerfuffle.</p>
<p>As to his being a neo-con, it&#8217;s worth noting that it was Jefferson&#8217;s Democrat-Republicans who were celebrating the bloodbath in revolutionary France and calling for war against England, even though they steadfastly refused to put in place the mechanisms (a strong military and sound public finance) that were necessary to wage war against any European power.  They finally got one eight years after Hamilton&#8217;s death, and it resulted in our ruthless invasion of another nation, and our tiny capital being burnt to the ground.  The same contemporary media that demonized Hamilton likes to call this a &#8220;victory&#8221;.</p>
<p>But hey, I understand that giving a pragmatist even a modicum of credit would ruin the fun of idolizing an idealist.  So carry on.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Burnside</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Burnside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Will, I just don&#039;t see it man. I don&#039;t believe you&#039;re being fair at all here. Are you really implying that Jefferson was for the extinction of the Native Americans? Jefferson did more to try and help the natives than any other American President. He convinced some to start building houses and settling on farms, which the Cherokee heeded quite well for one. There&#039;s really no comparing the Louisiana Purchase with Hamiltonian central banking nonesense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Will, I just don&#8217;t see it man. I don&#8217;t believe you&#8217;re being fair at all here. Are you really implying that Jefferson was for the extinction of the Native Americans? Jefferson did more to try and help the natives than any other American President. He convinced some to start building houses and settling on farms, which the Cherokee heeded quite well for one. There&#8217;s really no comparing the Louisiana Purchase with Hamiltonian central banking nonesense.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrorific</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrorific</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 13:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting that you keep avoiding explaining what this &quot;cosmopolitan&quot; thing is all about. I no longer live in the States (I&#039;m from Ohio), so I&#039;d like to see what it means in this context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that you keep avoiding explaining what this &#8220;cosmopolitan&#8221; thing is all about. I no longer live in the States (I&#8217;m from Ohio), so I&#8217;d like to see what it means in this context.</p>
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