Comments on: How to Be Grotesquely Reductionist and Utilitarian about Human Love and Life http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-to-be-grotesquely-reductionist-and-utilitarian-about-human-love-and-life/ The Sweet Release of Reason Sat, 20 Mar 2010 17:40:03 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: craiglist sex http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-to-be-grotesquely-reductionist-and-utilitarian-about-human-love-and-life/comment-page-1/#comment-578826 craiglist sex Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:00:39 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-to-be-grotesquely-reductionist-and-utilitarian-about-human-love-and-life/#comment-578826 [...] grabbed some bottles and bolted from ...http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/359233_housebomb16.htmlHow to Be Grotesquely Reductionist and Utilitarian about Human Love and Life This post by one ???Deep Thought??? is a brilliant example: This isn??t rocket science men with [...] [...] grabbed some bottles and bolted from …http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/359233_housebomb16.htmlHow to Be Grotesquely Reductionist and Utilitarian about Human Love and Life This post by one ???Deep Thought??? is a brilliant example: This isn??t rocket science men with [...]

]]> By: TGGP http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-to-be-grotesquely-reductionist-and-utilitarian-about-human-love-and-life/comment-page-1/#comment-566590 TGGP Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:21:54 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-to-be-grotesquely-reductionist-and-utilitarian-about-human-love-and-life/#comment-566590 Hooray for <a href="http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/03/reductionism.html" rel="nofollow">reductionism</a>! Hooray for reductionism!

]]> By: Deep Thought - I Have All The Answers, Even If I Don’t Understand The Questions » Failing to Grasp the Point http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-to-be-grotesquely-reductionist-and-utilitarian-about-human-love-and-life/comment-page-1/#comment-566523 Deep Thought - I Have All The Answers, Even If I Don’t Understand The Questions » Failing to Grasp the Point Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:01:43 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-to-be-grotesquely-reductionist-and-utilitarian-about-human-love-and-life/#comment-566523 [...] Will Wilkinson, whom we last touched on about his statements about prostitution, has tried to issue a rebuttal of my most recent post. Since Will has taken the time to respond to me, I will respond to his [...] [...] Will Wilkinson, whom we last touched on about his statements about prostitution, has tried to issue a rebuttal of my most recent post. Since Will has taken the time to respond to me, I will respond to his [...]

]]> By: "Q" the Enchanter http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-to-be-grotesquely-reductionist-and-utilitarian-about-human-love-and-life/comment-page-1/#comment-565961 "Q" the Enchanter Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:47:32 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-to-be-grotesquely-reductionist-and-utilitarian-about-human-love-and-life/#comment-565961 "Since I have no easy access to women who sell sex, will you share my life so I can use you for sex?" Is that line from the Church-approved edition of <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Game-Penetrating-Secret-Society-Artists/dp/0060554738" rel="nofollow">The Game</a>? “Since I have no easy access to women who sell sex, will you share my life so I can use you for sex?”

Is that line from the Church-approved edition of The Game?

]]> By: blah http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-to-be-grotesquely-reductionist-and-utilitarian-about-human-love-and-life/comment-page-1/#comment-565874 blah Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:39:29 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-to-be-grotesquely-reductionist-and-utilitarian-about-human-love-and-life/#comment-565874 Will, slinging around the word "grotesque" while calling for the legalization of prostitution is kind of an own goal. Will, slinging around the word “grotesque” while calling for the legalization of prostitution is kind of an own goal.

]]> By: josh http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-to-be-grotesquely-reductionist-and-utilitarian-about-human-love-and-life/comment-page-1/#comment-565845 josh Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:29:35 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-to-be-grotesquely-reductionist-and-utilitarian-about-human-love-and-life/#comment-565845 "they were written with more than the goal of reducing the numbers of poor, fatherless children. No, they are there to protect the future." For an exploration on the efficacy of anti-prostitution laws on meeting these stated goals see Malthus, Thomas R. “they were written with more than the goal of reducing the numbers of poor, fatherless children. No, they are there to protect the future.”

For an exploration on the efficacy of anti-prostitution laws on meeting these stated goals see Malthus, Thomas R.

]]> By: Matt McIntosh http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-to-be-grotesquely-reductionist-and-utilitarian-about-human-love-and-life/comment-page-1/#comment-565764 Matt McIntosh Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:31:34 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-to-be-grotesquely-reductionist-and-utilitarian-about-human-love-and-life/#comment-565764 You should ask him what he thinks of cloning yourself instead of having children and watch the smoke pour out of his ears. You should ask him what he thinks of cloning yourself instead of having children and watch the smoke pour out of his ears.

]]> By: Michael W http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-to-be-grotesquely-reductionist-and-utilitarian-about-human-love-and-life/comment-page-1/#comment-565753 Michael W Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:03:15 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-to-be-grotesquely-reductionist-and-utilitarian-about-human-love-and-life/#comment-565753 Thanks for describing exactly why I believe Christianity and Islam should be relegated to the past. If you live as the proponents of those religions preach, you exist only to prepare yourself for your life in heaven, the 'hell' with everything in the here and now, thus the justification for our continued willful injustices on the poor and the propagation of war. It all just doesn't matter since we're going to heaven anyway -- as long as we admit we're flawed. I, like Will, am making the most of this life everyday and I remember that my actions do have consequences on the quality of my life in the future and the quality of life for others (an instinctively moral concept devoid of religious pretense). Oh, I do have a son, and I teach him to do the same thing. Thanks for describing exactly why I believe Christianity and Islam should be relegated to the past. If you live as the proponents of those religions preach, you exist only to prepare yourself for your life in heaven, the ‘hell’ with everything in the here and now, thus the justification for our continued willful injustices on the poor and the propagation of war. It all just doesn’t matter since we’re going to heaven anyway — as long as we admit we’re flawed.
I, like Will, am making the most of this life everyday and I remember that my actions do have consequences on the quality of my life in the future and the quality of life for others (an instinctively moral concept devoid of religious pretense). Oh, I do have a son, and I teach him to do the same thing.

]]> By: Robert http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-to-be-grotesquely-reductionist-and-utilitarian-about-human-love-and-life/comment-page-1/#comment-565727 Robert Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:53:48 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-to-be-grotesquely-reductionist-and-utilitarian-about-human-love-and-life/#comment-565727 <i>Our lives are for our living. Our duty is to treat one another as free and equal persons, as ends in themselves, which means we are duty-bound not to use people and their lives for purposes not their own.</i> Amen, brother Will. Our lives are for our living. Our duty is to treat one another as free and equal persons, as ends in themselves, which means we are duty-bound not to use people and their lives for purposes not their own.

Amen, brother Will.

]]> By: Slocum http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-to-be-grotesquely-reductionist-and-utilitarian-about-human-love-and-life/comment-page-1/#comment-565704 Slocum Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:57:49 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-to-be-grotesquely-reductionist-and-utilitarian-about-human-love-and-life/#comment-565704 "This isn’t rocket science; men with easy access to prostitution or to promiscuous women have little incentive to marry." Nonsense. Even considering humans only as 'biological types', this is nonsense. The children of prostitutes, or even the children of promiscuous, single mothers are not notably successful in modern society, nor have they been historically. Men have a strong incentive to marry a high-quality woman and invest in both her and their children. And, BTW, the investment in families is driven by love -- loving spouses and children is something we're 'designed' to do, not something we do in spite of our biology. But, of course, that does not necessarily mean monogamy -- in addition to the above, there is also a biological incentive for additional sex on the side. And that is the Eliot Spitzer pattern. “This isn’t rocket science; men with easy access to prostitution or to promiscuous women have little incentive to marry.”

Nonsense. Even considering humans only as ‘biological types’, this is nonsense. The children of prostitutes, or even the children of promiscuous, single mothers are not notably successful in modern society, nor have they been historically. Men have a strong incentive to marry a high-quality woman and invest in both her and their children. And, BTW, the investment in families is driven by love — loving spouses and children is something we’re ‘designed’ to do, not something we do in spite of our biology.

But, of course, that does not necessarily mean monogamy — in addition to the above, there is also a biological incentive for additional sex on the side. And that is the Eliot Spitzer pattern.

]]> By: Gil http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-to-be-grotesquely-reductionist-and-utilitarian-about-human-love-and-life/comment-page-1/#comment-565589 Gil Tue, 18 Mar 2008 06:10:33 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-to-be-grotesquely-reductionist-and-utilitarian-about-human-love-and-life/#comment-565589 Banning prostitution seems like a pretty indirect and inefficient way to use coercion to promote procreation. Can't we simplify things and just herd people into reproduction camps? Banning prostitution seems like a pretty indirect and inefficient way to use coercion to promote procreation.

Can’t we simplify things and just herd people into reproduction camps?

]]> By: shecky http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-to-be-grotesquely-reductionist-and-utilitarian-about-human-love-and-life/comment-page-1/#comment-565548 shecky Tue, 18 Mar 2008 04:02:41 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-to-be-grotesquely-reductionist-and-utilitarian-about-human-love-and-life/#comment-565548 It's interesting that the ban on prostitution has made the practice extinct where I live. My future, and <i>ours</i>, is thus protected! And certainly, if the ban were lifted, I wouldn't be able to keep myself from buying sexual services from these women. It's important that our society protects me from myself in this way. It’s interesting that the ban on prostitution has made the practice extinct where I live. My future, and ours, is thus protected!

And certainly, if the ban were lifted, I wouldn’t be able to keep myself from buying sexual services from these women. It’s important that our society protects me from myself in this way.

]]> By: Kevin B. O'Reilly http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-to-be-grotesquely-reductionist-and-utilitarian-about-human-love-and-life/comment-page-1/#comment-565536 Kevin B. O'Reilly Tue, 18 Mar 2008 03:39:08 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-to-be-grotesquely-reductionist-and-utilitarian-about-human-love-and-life/#comment-565536 Still waiting on your defense of browsing the Craigslist "M4T" listings "just for fun." Obligatory: 8-) Still waiting on your defense of browsing the Craigslist “M4T” listings “just for fun.”

Obligatory: 8-)

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