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		<title>By: Lovelinks</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/01/25/must-destroy-milton-freedman/comment-page-2/#comment-592065</link>
		<dc:creator>Lovelinks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article remind me of fascist movements movements in between Germany and Italy. The 1920s and 30s were devastating to many nations in the world. Some of the hardest hit were Italy and Germany.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Germany was forced to pay ridicolous compensation for WW1. As well as the occupation of the Ruhr by the French (crippling the coal trade), as well as the French seperation of East Silesia from Germany to ensure further economic difficulties fostered much trouble.&lt;br&gt;People in Germany were poor and angry. They were angry at the Emperor for getting them into the war. Angrier at the democratic government that signed the humiliating surrender. Angriest at the foreign powers such as the French that ensured that the common German person lived in such misery.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Winston Churchill predicted after hearing the clauses of the Treaty of Versaille, that another war would be imminent. The mass suffering by the German people did cause much sympathy. The Americans and British eased many restrictions and treaty clauses much to the dislike of the reluctant French.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However the damage was done. Many Germans had no faith anymore in the actions and words of the democratic government which was seen as weak and incompetent. Such as the governments inability to stand up to France&#039;s illegal occupation of the Ruhr where it killed many Germans and kicked 250,000 from their homes as well as raped the countryside there of it&#039;s resources.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This led to two factions in Germany gaining the hope of the people. The fascists and the communists. Both were seen as alternative ways. The fascists in the end won out because the unfostered anarchy of the communists, their odd ties to foreign nations such as Russia and collectivism goals swayed too many to pick the fascists. In particular the National Socialists.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;All the anger from the before mentioned causes manifested itself into an ultra-nationalist party with a highly racist agenda. The distrust of the foreign powers for their unfair oppressing of Germany following WW1 meant the Germans latched themselves to their Führer. The end result was the German hatred resulted in a grand war that cost over 72 million people their lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article remind me of fascist movements movements in between Germany and Italy. The 1920s and 30s were devastating to many nations in the world. Some of the hardest hit were Italy and Germany.</p>
<p>Germany was forced to pay ridicolous compensation for WW1. As well as the occupation of the Ruhr by the French (crippling the coal trade), as well as the French seperation of East Silesia from Germany to ensure further economic difficulties fostered much trouble.<br />People in Germany were poor and angry. They were angry at the Emperor for getting them into the war. Angrier at the democratic government that signed the humiliating surrender. Angriest at the foreign powers such as the French that ensured that the common German person lived in such misery.</p>
<p>Winston Churchill predicted after hearing the clauses of the Treaty of Versaille, that another war would be imminent. The mass suffering by the German people did cause much sympathy. The Americans and British eased many restrictions and treaty clauses much to the dislike of the reluctant French.</p>
<p>However the damage was done. Many Germans had no faith anymore in the actions and words of the democratic government which was seen as weak and incompetent. Such as the governments inability to stand up to France&#39;s illegal occupation of the Ruhr where it killed many Germans and kicked 250,000 from their homes as well as raped the countryside there of it&#39;s resources.</p>
<p>This led to two factions in Germany gaining the hope of the people. The fascists and the communists. Both were seen as alternative ways. The fascists in the end won out because the unfostered anarchy of the communists, their odd ties to foreign nations such as Russia and collectivism goals swayed too many to pick the fascists. In particular the National Socialists.</p>
<p>All the anger from the before mentioned causes manifested itself into an ultra-nationalist party with a highly racist agenda. The distrust of the foreign powers for their unfair oppressing of Germany following WW1 meant the Germans latched themselves to their Führer. The end result was the German hatred resulted in a grand war that cost over 72 million people their lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Keelay</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/01/25/must-destroy-milton-freedman/comment-page-2/#comment-518880</link>
		<dc:creator>Keelay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 05:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry - that comment was in reference to this

&quot;I am more and more coming to the conclusion that National Greatness Conservatism, like all quasi-fascist movements, is based on a weird romantic teenager’s fantasies about what it means to be a grown up.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry &#8211; that comment was in reference to this</p>
<p>&#8220;I am more and more coming to the conclusion that National Greatness Conservatism, like all quasi-fascist movements, is based on a weird romantic teenager’s fantasies about what it means to be a grown up.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Keelay</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/01/25/must-destroy-milton-freedman/comment-page-2/#comment-518878</link>
		<dc:creator>Keelay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 05:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;&lt;i&gt;&gt;

That is precisely the reason I was originally drawn to it as an adolescent.

And I also had framed prints of Labrador retrievers with dead ducks in their mouths.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
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<p>That is precisely the reason I was originally drawn to it as an adolescent.</p>
<p>And I also had framed prints of Labrador retrievers with dead ducks in their mouths.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will,

National greatness conservatives are like alcoholics who spike the near-beer with the real stuff, worst of both worlds, so I agree with you there.

Yet just as the neocons inappropriately place private virtues in the public sphere, you seem to be doing the reverse, when you celebrate the tasteful &quot;functionalism&quot; of liberal individualism. It may be admirable to caution restraint in government, but I&#039;m not sure why this is a fundamental argument rather than a practical one.

At any rate, I&#039;m more comfortable to calls for the &quot;fundamental decency&quot; of liberal individualism when it comes from someone who went through that over-romantic adolescent phase. Like Shaw said (I think it was him, and not Churchill) about being a liberal at 20 and conservative at 40 (or was it 30? 50? so many different versions of that anecdote...)

Anyway, wonderfully written piece even if I have some caveats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will,</p>
<p>National greatness conservatives are like alcoholics who spike the near-beer with the real stuff, worst of both worlds, so I agree with you there.</p>
<p>Yet just as the neocons inappropriately place private virtues in the public sphere, you seem to be doing the reverse, when you celebrate the tasteful &#8220;functionalism&#8221; of liberal individualism. It may be admirable to caution restraint in government, but I&#8217;m not sure why this is a fundamental argument rather than a practical one.</p>
<p>At any rate, I&#8217;m more comfortable to calls for the &#8220;fundamental decency&#8221; of liberal individualism when it comes from someone who went through that over-romantic adolescent phase. Like Shaw said (I think it was him, and not Churchill) about being a liberal at 20 and conservative at 40 (or was it 30? 50? so many different versions of that anecdote&#8230;)</p>
<p>Anyway, wonderfully written piece even if I have some caveats.</p>
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		<title>By: Egypt Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/01/25/must-destroy-milton-freedman/comment-page-1/#comment-517201</link>
		<dc:creator>Egypt Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason: Swedish modern. Upscale, not the Ikea version.</description>
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		<title>By: Egypt Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/01/25/must-destroy-milton-freedman/comment-page-1/#comment-517193</link>
		<dc:creator>Egypt Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a liberal, in fact, quasi-socialist and quasi-pacifist.  I hate and reject National Greatness Conservatism and all other quasi-fascist movements.  I have, however, read Aristotle in Greek. Does that make me a bad person?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a liberal, in fact, quasi-socialist and quasi-pacifist.  I hate and reject National Greatness Conservatism and all other quasi-fascist movements.  I have, however, read Aristotle in Greek. Does that make me a bad person?</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, my...  This is the best exhibit they have in their argument against self-interest?

Recent congressional history has laid bare the fallacy of this argument. Republicans who proclaimed from the stump that greed was good turned out to believe it when they got into office, amassing earmarks and bridges to nowhere by means of their newfound powers. Why should we be surprised? 

Really?  It would seem that this example defeats -- rather than supports -- their own argument.  What do earmarks and bridges to nowhere have to do with the free market?  Nothing.  

If anything, these examples highlight the danger of centralizing power, even if done supposedly to serve a higher purpose.  As Hayek said, the worst always come out on top in this sort of system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, my&#8230;  This is the best exhibit they have in their argument against self-interest?</p>
<p>Recent congressional history has laid bare the fallacy of this argument. Republicans who proclaimed from the stump that greed was good turned out to believe it when they got into office, amassing earmarks and bridges to nowhere by means of their newfound powers. Why should we be surprised? </p>
<p>Really?  It would seem that this example defeats &#8212; rather than supports &#8212; their own argument.  What do earmarks and bridges to nowhere have to do with the free market?  Nothing.  </p>
<p>If anything, these examples highlight the danger of centralizing power, even if done supposedly to serve a higher purpose.  As Hayek said, the worst always come out on top in this sort of system.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/01/25/must-destroy-milton-freedman/comment-page-1/#comment-517103</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well done, sir.  Succinct.  You helped me put words to what I couldn&#039;t.

&quot;And the problem with most modernist buildings is that nobody could live in them.&quot;

Modernist architecture was an attempt to draw *everyone* together into a simplified liberal individualism.  Unfortunately, not everyone can live like that; some would rather go to war for a cause regardless of their apprehension of it.  And some need to live/work in a building that pretends to give them meaning and culture.  And a laundry room.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well done, sir.  Succinct.  You helped me put words to what I couldn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>&#8220;And the problem with most modernist buildings is that nobody could live in them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Modernist architecture was an attempt to draw *everyone* together into a simplified liberal individualism.  Unfortunately, not everyone can live like that; some would rather go to war for a cause regardless of their apprehension of it.  And some need to live/work in a building that pretends to give them meaning and culture.  And a laundry room.</p>
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		<title>By: America Uber Alles</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/01/25/must-destroy-milton-freedman/comment-page-1/#comment-517092</link>
		<dc:creator>America Uber Alles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>National Greatness Conservatives are like Kevin Spacey&#039;s next door neighbor in American Beauty, standing in your garage with a rifle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>National Greatness Conservatives are like Kevin Spacey&#8217;s next door neighbor in American Beauty, standing in your garage with a rifle.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The least we can do for the memory of the late Milton Friedman is to spell his name correctly . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The least we can do for the memory of the late Milton Friedman is to spell his name correctly . . .</p>
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		<title>By: oddjob</title>
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		<dc:creator>oddjob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;a grotesque wood-paneled den stuffed with animal heads, mounted swords, garish carpets, and a giant roaring fire. Only the most vulgar tuck in next to that fire, light a fat cigar, and think they’ve really got it all figured out.&lt;/i&gt;  

LOL!  

If you have not, the next time you&#039;re in the NYC area you should visit Sagamore Hill, Teddy Roosevelt&#039;s home in Oyster Bay, NY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>a grotesque wood-paneled den stuffed with animal heads, mounted swords, garish carpets, and a giant roaring fire. Only the most vulgar tuck in next to that fire, light a fat cigar, and think they’ve really got it all figured out.</i>  </p>
<p>LOL!  </p>
<p>If you have not, the next time you&#8217;re in the NYC area you should visit Sagamore Hill, Teddy Roosevelt&#8217;s home in Oyster Bay, NY.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Overheard at CATO:

Mr. Wilkinson muttering in the hallway,

&quot;DAMMIT, YOU CONSERVATIVES, ORNAMENT IS CRIME!&quot;

;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Overheard at CATO:</p>
<p>Mr. Wilkinson muttering in the hallway,</p>
<p>&#8220;DAMMIT, YOU CONSERVATIVES, ORNAMENT IS CRIME!&#8221;</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Defending Corbu&#8217;s Honor &#124; After Corbu</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/01/25/must-destroy-milton-freedman/comment-page-1/#comment-516822</link>
		<dc:creator>Defending Corbu&#8217;s Honor &#124; After Corbu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Right: The worse insult to modernism is made by Wilkinson who, apparently not familiar with CIAM, claims it for &#8220;liberal individualism&#8221; causing a generation of leftist architects to turn over in their grave. Forget &#8220;spare, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Right: The worse insult to modernism is made by Wilkinson who, apparently not familiar with CIAM, claims it for &#8220;liberal individualism&#8221; causing a generation of leftist architects to turn over in their grave. Forget &#8220;spare, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mk</title>
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		<dc:creator>mk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 03:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As brilliant as the analogy is, I think National Greatness Conservatism (or &quot;NGC&quot; as it appears in rap songs) is just as self-congratulatory but not as static or navel-gazing as the analogy suggests.

Or I guess, it depends on what idea or practice is giving us greatness. Sometimes, I assume, it&#039;s war. And while that&#039;s kitschy, it also has real consequences such as death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As brilliant as the analogy is, I think National Greatness Conservatism (or &#8220;NGC&#8221; as it appears in rap songs) is just as self-congratulatory but not as static or navel-gazing as the analogy suggests.</p>
<p>Or I guess, it depends on what idea or practice is giving us greatness. Sometimes, I assume, it&#8217;s war. And while that&#8217;s kitschy, it also has real consequences such as death.</p>
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		<title>By: David Morris</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/01/25/must-destroy-milton-freedman/comment-page-1/#comment-516205</link>
		<dc:creator>David Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 01:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;National Greatness Conservatism is like a grotesque wood-paneled den stuffed with animal heads, mounted swords, garish carpets, and a giant roaring fire. Only the most vulgar tuck in next to that fire, light a fat cigar, and think they’ve really got it all figured out.&quot;

Ha! What a great line! It&#039;s like something out of a Wodehouse novel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;National Greatness Conservatism is like a grotesque wood-paneled den stuffed with animal heads, mounted swords, garish carpets, and a giant roaring fire. Only the most vulgar tuck in next to that fire, light a fat cigar, and think they’ve really got it all figured out.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ha! What a great line! It&#8217;s like something out of a Wodehouse novel.</p>
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