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		<title>By: stuart</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/08/piling-on-lakoff/comment-page-1/#comment-32805</link>
		<dc:creator>stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry. I didn&#039;t know Chris commented here. I got the impression that his political views had something to do with your dislike for him.

I don&#039;t think Pinker&#039;s politics are clear from his books. I always figured he was a democrat who actually took libertarianism seriously, rather than just denouncing it.

Not that I normally think of libertarians as right wing (economically yes, otherwise no)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry. I didn&#8217;t know Chris commented here. I got the impression that his political views had something to do with your dislike for him.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Pinker&#8217;s politics are clear from his books. I always figured he was a democrat who actually took libertarianism seriously, rather than just denouncing it.</p>
<p>Not that I normally think of libertarians as right wing (economically yes, otherwise no)</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/08/piling-on-lakoff/comment-page-1/#comment-32658</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 02:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>p.s., the reason I made a big deal out of disliking Pinker is to stress the fact that I wasn&#039;t disagreeing with Lakoff just because I dislike him (it&#039;s widely known  among the people who read the blog that I dislike him). I wanted to make it clear that I disliked both the participants (professionally, not personally, though in my one meeting with Lakoff, he was an ass -- Mark Johnson, his partner in crime, is a really nice guy, though), and so the only reason I had for siding with one was because he was right, and the other was wrong. Sometimes that&#039;s not clear to everyone, in the blogworld.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s., the reason I made a big deal out of disliking Pinker is to stress the fact that I wasn&#8217;t disagreeing with Lakoff just because I dislike him (it&#8217;s widely known  among the people who read the blog that I dislike him). I wanted to make it clear that I disliked both the participants (professionally, not personally, though in my one meeting with Lakoff, he was an ass &#8212; Mark Johnson, his partner in crime, is a really nice guy, though), and so the only reason I had for siding with one was because he was right, and the other was wrong. Sometimes that&#8217;s not clear to everyone, in the blogworld.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/08/piling-on-lakoff/comment-page-1/#comment-32534</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 22:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate you! I hate you all!

OK, just kidding. No, I don&#039;t hate Will at all, and I read his blog regularly. Not being one of those people who likes to read things just to get all riled up, my reading it must mean that I find something interesting and/or insightful in it. It&#039;s true that he and I are probably pretty far apart politically (just as Razib and I are), but I don&#039;t see any reason to hate someone just because they differ politically.

Now, I do not like Pinker&#039;s work (I&#039;ve only met him a couple times in person, and so I couldn&#039;t say what I think of him personally), but it&#039;s not really because of his politics. I&#039;ve got cog sci friends who are libertarians and republicans, and I like them just fine. I dislike his work because I think that he, like Lakoff, has a nasty habit of misrepresenting the state of research and debate on cognitive science, particularly when it comes to his adaptationism (which is, it should always be noted, &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; the mainstream view in cognitive science).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate you! I hate you all!</p>
<p>OK, just kidding. No, I don&#8217;t hate Will at all, and I read his blog regularly. Not being one of those people who likes to read things just to get all riled up, my reading it must mean that I find something interesting and/or insightful in it. It&#8217;s true that he and I are probably pretty far apart politically (just as Razib and I are), but I don&#8217;t see any reason to hate someone just because they differ politically.</p>
<p>Now, I do not like Pinker&#8217;s work (I&#8217;ve only met him a couple times in person, and so I couldn&#8217;t say what I think of him personally), but it&#8217;s not really because of his politics. I&#8217;ve got cog sci friends who are libertarians and republicans, and I like them just fine. I dislike his work because I think that he, like Lakoff, has a nasty habit of misrepresenting the state of research and debate on cognitive science, particularly when it comes to his adaptationism (which is, it should always be noted, <i>not</i> the mainstream view in cognitive science).</p>
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		<title>By: razib</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/08/piling-on-lakoff/comment-page-1/#comment-32400</link>
		<dc:creator>razib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 20:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cosmides &amp; tooby are right-libertarians, that i know. i have already sent off the email.  i&#039;ll email you when/if i get an intelligible response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cosmides &amp; tooby are right-libertarians, that i know. i have already sent off the email.  i&#8217;ll email you when/if i get an intelligible response.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/08/piling-on-lakoff/comment-page-1/#comment-32359</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 20:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, had I not lived about anywhere other than DC, which trends so heavily Democratic that election results are a foregone conclusion, I would have voted for Kerry. Since voting for Kerry in DC wouldn&#039;t help Bush lose, I voted for Badnarik instead, with a sense of ironic protest. I had always been under the impression that Pinker is fairly libertarian. So please do ask your Pinker connections. I&#039;m interested in what they say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, had I not lived about anywhere other than DC, which trends so heavily Democratic that election results are a foregone conclusion, I would have voted for Kerry. Since voting for Kerry in DC wouldn&#8217;t help Bush lose, I voted for Badnarik instead, with a sense of ironic protest. I had always been under the impression that Pinker is fairly libertarian. So please do ask your Pinker connections. I&#8217;m interested in what they say.</p>
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		<title>By: razib</title>
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		<dc:creator>razib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 20:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, he &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.reason.com/0411/fe.dc.whos.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;says&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;i&gt;2004 vote: Kerry. The reason is reason: Bush uses too little of it. In the war on terror, his administration stints on loose-nuke surveillance while confiscating nail clippers and issuing color-coded duct tape advisories. His restrictions on stem cell research are incoherent, his dismissal of possible climate change inexcusable.&lt;/i&gt;

i had a conversation with pinker once, he struck me as a typical milquetoast democrat.  but hey, you know what, i know people who are close to pinker. why don&#039;t i ask them?  

i only bring this up because people keep saying he is a &quot;right winger.&quot;  i don&#039;t think that&#039;s accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, he <a href="http://www.reason.com/0411/fe.dc.whos.shtml" rel="nofollow">says</a>:<br />
<i>2004 vote: Kerry. The reason is reason: Bush uses too little of it. In the war on terror, his administration stints on loose-nuke surveillance while confiscating nail clippers and issuing color-coded duct tape advisories. His restrictions on stem cell research are incoherent, his dismissal of possible climate change inexcusable.</i></p>
<p>i had a conversation with pinker once, he struck me as a typical milquetoast democrat.  but hey, you know what, i know people who are close to pinker. why don&#8217;t i ask them?  </p>
<p>i only bring this up because people keep saying he is a &#8220;right winger.&#8221;  i don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/08/piling-on-lakoff/comment-page-1/#comment-32330</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 19:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is that what Pinker says he is? I&#039;m a free-market liberal (which could be construed as a moderate democrat, I guess) which is what I took Pinker to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is that what Pinker says he is? I&#8217;m a free-market liberal (which could be construed as a moderate democrat, I guess) which is what I took Pinker to be.</p>
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		<title>By: razib</title>
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		<dc:creator>razib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 19:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;my politics are basically Pinker’s&lt;/i&gt;

you&#039;re a moderate democrat? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>my politics are basically Pinker’s</i></p>
<p>you&#8217;re a moderate democrat? <img src='http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Will Wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/08/piling-on-lakoff/comment-page-1/#comment-32267</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 18:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris came down on me pretty hard for my Cato piece on evolutionary psychology and politics, but I think we get on rather well. Chris often leaves insightful and helpful comments here, and I almost always agree with him. I&#039;m sure are politics differ (my politics are basically Pinker&#039;s), but I have no reason whatsoever to think he hates me. How about it, Chris?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris came down on me pretty hard for my Cato piece on evolutionary psychology and politics, but I think we get on rather well. Chris often leaves insightful and helpful comments here, and I almost always agree with him. I&#8217;m sure are politics differ (my politics are basically Pinker&#8217;s), but I have no reason whatsoever to think he hates me. How about it, Chris?</p>
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		<title>By: razib</title>
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		<dc:creator>razib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 18:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh, and when i say that &#039;will misunderstands cog sci,&#039; it wasn&#039;t meant as a slam.  just that chris&#039; issues with will didn&#039;t have much to do with politics from what i remember.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, and when i say that &#8216;will misunderstands cog sci,&#8217; it wasn&#8217;t meant as a slam.  just that chris&#8217; issues with will didn&#8217;t have much to do with politics from what i remember.</p>
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		<title>By: razib</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/08/piling-on-lakoff/comment-page-1/#comment-32257</link>
		<dc:creator>razib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 18:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I’m sure he’d hate you Will&lt;/i&gt;

he has hated will. but more for his perception that will misunderstands cog sci than the politics. chris to the left of lakoff, but i consider him a &#039;blog friend&#039; and i am probably to the right of will on many issues (e.g., anti-immigration).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’m sure he’d hate you Will</i></p>
<p>he has hated will. but more for his perception that will misunderstands cog sci than the politics. chris to the left of lakoff, but i consider him a &#8216;blog friend&#8217; and i am probably to the right of will on many issues (e.g., anti-immigration).</p>
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		<title>By: stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 15:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did Chris really need to make such a meal of how much he dislikes Pinker? He puts part of his dislike down to Pinker&#039;s supposed right wing political views. 

I&#039;m sure he&#039;d hate you Will</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did Chris really need to make such a meal of how much he dislikes Pinker? He puts part of his dislike down to Pinker&#8217;s supposed right wing political views. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;d hate you Will</p>
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