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	<title>Comments on: Are Libertarians Cheerier?</title>
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		<title>By: Matthew Yglesias</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2004/12/20/are-libertarians-cheerier/comment-page-1/#comment-2431</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Yglesias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s more likely that you just aren&#039;t trying to win, and it&#039;s a lot more fun to jeer from the sidelines....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s more likely that you just aren&#8217;t trying to win, and it&#8217;s a lot more fun to jeer from the sidelines&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian W. Doss</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2004/12/20/are-libertarians-cheerier/comment-page-1/#comment-2432</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian W. Doss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, *some* of us are, but organizing libertarians politically is (wait for it) like herding cats. Especially with the purity wars &amp; &quot;more libertarian than thou&quot; poses going about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, *some* of us are, but organizing libertarians politically is (wait for it) like herding cats. Especially with the purity wars &#038; &#8220;more libertarian than thou&#8221; poses going about.</p>
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		<title>By: Gil</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2004/12/20/are-libertarians-cheerier/comment-page-1/#comment-2433</link>
		<dc:creator>Gil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that one&#039;s happiness depends a lot on how perceived reality compares with his expectations.

Some libertarians are perpetually frustrated.  But I think that most of us have more realistic expectations about how long it will take to make significant political progress, and are only pleased when things go well. When they go poorly; well, that&#039;s what we expected.

And yes, we are more likely than the left and the right to be happy about the cool achievements of a dynamic semi-free society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that one&#8217;s happiness depends a lot on how perceived reality compares with his expectations.</p>
<p>Some libertarians are perpetually frustrated.  But I think that most of us have more realistic expectations about how long it will take to make significant political progress, and are only pleased when things go well. When they go poorly; well, that&#8217;s what we expected.</p>
<p>And yes, we are more likely than the left and the right to be happy about the cool achievements of a dynamic semi-free society.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, I guess I&#039;m an outlier.  I haven&#039;t reached that Mencken-style jumping off point where you just shake your head and get another drink.  I yell, /then/ I shake my head and get another drink.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, I guess I&#8217;m an outlier.  I haven&#8217;t reached that Mencken-style jumping off point where you just shake your head and get another drink.  I yell, /then/ I shake my head and get another drink.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2004/12/20/are-libertarians-cheerier/comment-page-1/#comment-2435</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It&#039;s more likely that you just aren&#039;t trying to win, and it&#039;s a lot more fun to jeer from the sidelines....&quot;

That sounds like a cry for help to me. I read it as  &quot;you don&#039;t have a cadre of shiny-faced, glad-handing hacks reminding you of who really runs things.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s more likely that you just aren&#8217;t trying to win, and it&#8217;s a lot more fun to jeer from the sidelines&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>That sounds like a cry for help to me. I read it as  &#8220;you don&#8217;t have a cadre of shiny-faced, glad-handing hacks reminding you of who really runs things.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Keelay</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2004/12/20/are-libertarians-cheerier/comment-page-1/#comment-2436</link>
		<dc:creator>Keelay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a delightful mosaic of contrasting worldviews!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a delightful mosaic of contrasting worldviews!</p>
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		<title>By: Will Wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2004/12/20/are-libertarians-cheerier/comment-page-1/#comment-2437</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin, Don&#039;t yell! Look! Shiny things! ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin, Don&#8217;t yell! Look! Shiny things! &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2004/12/20/are-libertarians-cheerier/comment-page-1/#comment-2438</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any conservative with half an ounce of principle must feel an unpleasant twinge every time they have to spin for Bush. What on earth is conservative about that guy? At least economic conservatives. Social conservatives appear to have no problem with big spending as long as they guy doing it claims to believe in jebus. 

If I were a liberal, I&#039;d be frustrated to distraction at the lack of gonads on the part of my party. And the unwillingness to fight dirty. If you&#039;re not going to fight at least as dirty as the republicans (see, Swift Boat Dudes) then don&#039;t bother showing up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any conservative with half an ounce of principle must feel an unpleasant twinge every time they have to spin for Bush. What on earth is conservative about that guy? At least economic conservatives. Social conservatives appear to have no problem with big spending as long as they guy doing it claims to believe in jebus. </p>
<p>If I were a liberal, I&#8217;d be frustrated to distraction at the lack of gonads on the part of my party. And the unwillingness to fight dirty. If you&#8217;re not going to fight at least as dirty as the republicans (see, Swift Boat Dudes) then don&#8217;t bother showing up.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Yglesias - when you&#039;ve got no dog in the fight, it&#039;s all the more entertaining to watch.  No matter who loses, libertarians can point to why, and why we knew better.  No matter who wins, we get to be snarky.  Which is, you know, maybe why we&#039;ve been so successful at shaping public policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Yglesias &#8211; when you&#8217;ve got no dog in the fight, it&#8217;s all the more entertaining to watch.  No matter who loses, libertarians can point to why, and why we knew better.  No matter who wins, we get to be snarky.  Which is, you know, maybe why we&#8217;ve been so successful at shaping public policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2004/12/20/are-libertarians-cheerier/comment-page-1/#comment-2440</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also - maybe, Will, you&#039;re just cheerier.  Or maybe the exceptional cheer is more characteristic of DC libertarians, or blogosphere libertarians (each being just overrepresented enough in their respective [and often overlapping] subcultures).  I bet the actual LP members in the rest of the country are bitter little curmudgeons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also &#8211; maybe, Will, you&#8217;re just cheerier.  Or maybe the exceptional cheer is more characteristic of DC libertarians, or blogosphere libertarians (each being just overrepresented enough in their respective [and often overlapping] subcultures).  I bet the actual LP members in the rest of the country are bitter little curmudgeons.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Kuznicki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Kuznicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are some bitter libertarians out there, but I avoid them at all costs.

I think one reason that libertarians are happier is that a lot of us have been touched by Ayn Rand at one point or another, and her philosophy placed tremendous emphasis on the virtue of pursuing one&#039;s own happiness.  She also believed that if you went about it rationally, attaining happiness really was possible.  Maybe we&#039;ve succeeded?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some bitter libertarians out there, but I avoid them at all costs.</p>
<p>I think one reason that libertarians are happier is that a lot of us have been touched by Ayn Rand at one point or another, and her philosophy placed tremendous emphasis on the virtue of pursuing one&#8217;s own happiness.  She also believed that if you went about it rationally, attaining happiness really was possible.  Maybe we&#8217;ve succeeded?</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We could dispute whether libertarians are cheerier, but on the assumption that they are, Nick Gillespie at Reason magazine may have suggested why.

I happened to be clicking through the channels last night when I came across a book party for their new book on C-Span&#039;s &quot;Booknotes&quot;. At the answer and answer session, one guy expressed frustration at the &quot;apathy&quot; he felt at the lack of participation in the fall election. After politely pointing out that the turnout this year was unusually high, Nick Gillespie said:

&quot;Maybe people aren&#039;t that involved because they have lives. That’s how it should be. People shouldn’t be involved with politics all the time.”

This is consistent with a view that says maybe libertarians don&#039;t expect to win. But it&#039;s also consistent with a general attitude that sees society as something separate from, and more important than, government.

Maybe that’s why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We could dispute whether libertarians are cheerier, but on the assumption that they are, Nick Gillespie at Reason magazine may have suggested why.</p>
<p>I happened to be clicking through the channels last night when I came across a book party for their new book on C-Span&#8217;s &#8220;Booknotes&#8221;. At the answer and answer session, one guy expressed frustration at the &#8220;apathy&#8221; he felt at the lack of participation in the fall election. After politely pointing out that the turnout this year was unusually high, Nick Gillespie said:</p>
<p>&#8220;Maybe people aren&#8217;t that involved because they have lives. That’s how it should be. People shouldn’t be involved with politics all the time.”</p>
<p>This is consistent with a view that says maybe libertarians don&#8217;t expect to win. But it&#8217;s also consistent with a general attitude that sees society as something separate from, and more important than, government.</p>
<p>Maybe that’s why.</p>
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		<title>By: Luka Yovetich</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2004/12/20/are-libertarians-cheerier/comment-page-1/#comment-2443</link>
		<dc:creator>Luka Yovetich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you might be right about libertarians being able to appreciate capitalism more than others. Surely, the liberals and the conservatives enjoy the fruits of capitalism. But I think there might be some extra happiness that libertarians get out of buying cool things off of the market that the other groups don&#039;t get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you might be right about libertarians being able to appreciate capitalism more than others. Surely, the liberals and the conservatives enjoy the fruits of capitalism. But I think there might be some extra happiness that libertarians get out of buying cool things off of the market that the other groups don&#8217;t get.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Will.  Cool stuff!  Readily available!  At low labor-time-adjusted prices!  I love it, I love it, I love it!  And unlike many, I don&#039;t feel the slightest bit of guilt about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Will.  Cool stuff!  Readily available!  At low labor-time-adjusted prices!  I love it, I love it, I love it!  And unlike many, I don&#8217;t feel the slightest bit of guilt about it.</p>
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		<title>By: McClain</title>
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		<dc:creator>McClain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess ham-fisted gloating isn&#039;t, technically, &#039;cheerful.&#039;  
The &#039;Right&#039; still seems fairly happy, nevertheless.
It IS nice to sit on the sidelines and make snarky comments while someone you dislike beats up someone you despise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess ham-fisted gloating isn&#8217;t, technically, &#8216;cheerful.&#8217;<br />
The &#8216;Right&#8217; still seems fairly happy, nevertheless.<br />
It IS nice to sit on the sidelines and make snarky comments while someone you dislike beats up someone you despise.</p>
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