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		<title>By: GilM</title>
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		<dc:creator>GilM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>INTJ</description>
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		<title>By: webgrrl</title>
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		<dc:creator>webgrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 11:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>INFJ.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Like others here, since I learned a little more about the MBTI, I&#039;ve found usefully predicatively, so I keep it in my pocket, always mindful of its limitations.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for g, WW, I can&#039;t follow you there, sorry. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No one can describe it - or agree on a description - no one can accurately measure it or duplicate another&#039;s measurement, no one can offer a prediction based on it, no one can tie it in any meaningful way to anatomy or brain function - it&#039;s clearly phlogiston, a ghost. It doesn&#039;t exist.</description>
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<p>Like others here, since I learned a little more about the MBTI, I&#39;ve found usefully predicatively, so I keep it in my pocket, always mindful of its limitations.</p>
<p>As for g, WW, I can&#39;t follow you there, sorry. </p>
<p>No one can describe it &#8211; or agree on a description &#8211; no one can accurately measure it or duplicate another&#39;s measurement, no one can offer a prediction based on it, no one can tie it in any meaningful way to anatomy or brain function &#8211; it&#39;s clearly phlogiston, a ghost. It doesn&#39;t exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Megan McArdle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Megan McArdle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 08:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>xNTP, though I usually show up as a weak extrovert.  Everything else very, very strongly expressed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>xNTP, though I usually show up as a weak extrovert.  Everything else very, very strongly expressed.</p>
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		<title>By: GU</title>
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		<dc:creator>GU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 04:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>INTJ</description>
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		<title>By: Glenn Bridgman</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2004/11/20/bad-theories-that-track-robust-regularities/comment-page-1/#comment-1763</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Bridgman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>INTP, with the I and P weakly expressed and the N *very* strongly expressed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>INTP, with the I and P weakly expressed and the N *very* strongly expressed.</p>
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		<title>By: jam</title>
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		<dc:creator>jam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>INTP when I was young.  INTJ now.

Gladwell makes fun of it, but MBTI does work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>INTP when I was young.  INTJ now.</p>
<p>Gladwell makes fun of it, but MBTI does work.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Kuznicki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Kuznicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>INTJ and have been since high school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>INTJ and have been since high school.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Goard</title>
		<link>http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2004/11/20/bad-theories-that-track-robust-regularities/comment-page-1/#comment-1766</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Goard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an ENxP, or perhaps more accurately, an young-twenties ENTP shifting gradually but unmistakably toward late-twenties F.  For what it&#039;s worth, during this time my libertarianism has undergone some foundational changes.  First, I&#039;ve become far more of an ethical consequentialist.  Second, I now tend to argue from (what is known about) the complexities of real human beings and social systems, rather than the highly idealized model where our socially relevant actions can pretty much be classified into three classes: production, consumption, force.  Third, I have a great deal more respect for existentialist and otherwise spirtual concerns in evaluating the state of a person or of a society.

It strikes me that Gladwell has missed a critical flaw in most applications of the MBTI: obviously the test does not measure personality traits directly, but rather *self-conceptions* of such traits.  While self-perception is certainly interesting in its own right, it is likely to be less variable than actual personality traits, and to (in the best case scenario) trail changes by a significant period of time as the psyche comes to acknowledge its own development.

In the worst case, self-perception can be a negative image of the mind&#039;s workings.  Take Ayn Rand, who gladly accepted the moniker &quot;Ms. Logic&quot;, shouted about &quot;reason&quot; all the time, and is always classified as an NTJ.  Her revealed personality profile was emotional, intuitive, holistic, and hence far more compatible with F. (One site lists as a characteristic of T: &quot;Accept conflict as a natural, normal part of relationships with people.&quot;)  And yet it&#039;s easier to imagine a 5-dimensional cube than Rand anwsering a typical T/F question on the F side.

It might very well be that most libertarians test as NTs because much of the traditional ethical/political argumentation has been explicitly or implicitly premised on a society made up by such people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an ENxP, or perhaps more accurately, an young-twenties ENTP shifting gradually but unmistakably toward late-twenties F.  For what it&#8217;s worth, during this time my libertarianism has undergone some foundational changes.  First, I&#8217;ve become far more of an ethical consequentialist.  Second, I now tend to argue from (what is known about) the complexities of real human beings and social systems, rather than the highly idealized model where our socially relevant actions can pretty much be classified into three classes: production, consumption, force.  Third, I have a great deal more respect for existentialist and otherwise spirtual concerns in evaluating the state of a person or of a society.</p>
<p>It strikes me that Gladwell has missed a critical flaw in most applications of the MBTI: obviously the test does not measure personality traits directly, but rather *self-conceptions* of such traits.  While self-perception is certainly interesting in its own right, it is likely to be less variable than actual personality traits, and to (in the best case scenario) trail changes by a significant period of time as the psyche comes to acknowledge its own development.</p>
<p>In the worst case, self-perception can be a negative image of the mind&#8217;s workings.  Take Ayn Rand, who gladly accepted the moniker &#8220;Ms. Logic&#8221;, shouted about &#8220;reason&#8221; all the time, and is always classified as an NTJ.  Her revealed personality profile was emotional, intuitive, holistic, and hence far more compatible with F. (One site lists as a characteristic of T: &#8220;Accept conflict as a natural, normal part of relationships with people.&#8221;)  And yet it&#8217;s easier to imagine a 5-dimensional cube than Rand anwsering a typical T/F question on the F side.</p>
<p>It might very well be that most libertarians test as NTs because much of the traditional ethical/political argumentation has been explicitly or implicitly premised on a society made up by such people.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>INTJ. Occasionally ISTJ. Well, well, well...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>INTJ. Occasionally ISTJ. Well, well, well&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>INTJ (borderline J/P)</description>
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		<title>By: treefroggy</title>
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		<dc:creator>treefroggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I&#039;m a Quiet Quixotic Questioning Quantifier.  For Herr Doctor Jung, that&#039;s 4Q !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I&#8217;m a Quiet Quixotic Questioning Quantifier.  For Herr Doctor Jung, that&#8217;s 4Q !!</p>
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		<title>By: razib</title>
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		<dc:creator>razib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what is G tracking if there is no general reasoning capacity?

well, what is &quot;G&quot; is an emergent property of transdomain interactions?  let me elaborate, if you read the number sense by stanislaus dehaene you will note he reports that some patients with brain damage have lost the capacity for algebra by not geometry or vice versa.  obviousy there is no &quot;math module,&quot; but various nodes or domains in the brain that work together to give on a capacity for mathematics.  G, like mathematical ability, is distributed normally on a bell curve, this suggests that there are various independent factors that contribute to the full expression of the phentoype.  these factors in the genetic sense are various genes who come in allelic flavors.  in a neurological sense they are cognitive domains.  

so yes, the mind is modular, we do have an analog number sense (infants to rats have a conception of bigger and smaller).  but the digital mathematical capacity is an emergent property of the number sense being grafted on to language and visuospatial thinking (to name a few factors).  the normal distribution is the result of the fact that people have various levels of fluency in the various module capacities.

anyway, that&#039;s my theory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what is G tracking if there is no general reasoning capacity?</p>
<p>well, what is &#8220;G&#8221; is an emergent property of transdomain interactions?  let me elaborate, if you read the number sense by stanislaus dehaene you will note he reports that some patients with brain damage have lost the capacity for algebra by not geometry or vice versa.  obviousy there is no &#8220;math module,&#8221; but various nodes or domains in the brain that work together to give on a capacity for mathematics.  G, like mathematical ability, is distributed normally on a bell curve, this suggests that there are various independent factors that contribute to the full expression of the phentoype.  these factors in the genetic sense are various genes who come in allelic flavors.  in a neurological sense they are cognitive domains.  </p>
<p>so yes, the mind is modular, we do have an analog number sense (infants to rats have a conception of bigger and smaller).  but the digital mathematical capacity is an emergent property of the number sense being grafted on to language and visuospatial thinking (to name a few factors).  the normal distribution is the result of the fact that people have various levels of fluency in the various module capacities.</p>
<p>anyway, that&#8217;s my theory.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt McIntosh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt McIntosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>INTP. Strong Introversion, medium Intuitive Thinking, weak Percieving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>INTP. Strong Introversion, medium Intuitive Thinking, weak Percieving.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan McElravy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan McElravy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>INFP

I&#039;ve never been able to conclusively decide, though, whether I am actually a libertarian or just incredibly paranoid....</description>
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<p>I&#8217;ve never been able to conclusively decide, though, whether I am actually a libertarian or just incredibly paranoid&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: brock</title>
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		<dc:creator>brock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>INTJ/INTP depending on the test. I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever had an office test, but a lot of those less-than official ones done by psych grad students in their spare time.

New reader, BTW, I think was referred from GapingVoid but that was so many hours ago I&#039;ve already forgotten.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>INTJ/INTP depending on the test. I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever had an office test, but a lot of those less-than official ones done by psych grad students in their spare time.</p>
<p>New reader, BTW, I think was referred from GapingVoid but that was so many hours ago I&#8217;ve already forgotten.</p>
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