Seriously? Yes. Seriously.

— There's a peculiar but interesting interview with Charles Murray in one of the reader reviews of his new book Human Accomplishment. [Scroll down to the Steve Sailer review.]

Here's the concluding exchange:

Q. You found that per capita levels of accomplishment tended to decline from 1850 to 1950. Would you care to speculate on post-1950 trends?

A. I think that the number of novels, songs, and paintings done since 1950 that anyone will still care about 200 years from now is somewhere in the vicinity of zero. Not exactly zero, but close. I find a good way to make this point is to ask anyone who disagrees with me to name a work that will survive — and then ask, “Seriously?” Very few works indeed can defend themselves against the “Seriously?” question.

Ah, nothing like the Scientific Method!

A more interesting, albeit unanswerable, question would be: What works would a cultured person in 1800 cite as likely to last 200 years? And then the followup: Would he have been right?

Murray's question tests the resoluteness of his challenger, not the correctness of the challenger's judgment. (Tyler, I believe, is prepared to say “seriously” of Eminem, and much else.) The difficulty here is that we have to learn how to appreciate great new works. So greatness isn't obvious to us. Greatness can and does pass unnoticed beneath our noses. When we are too close in time to a work of art, it's hard to separate it from the nexus of lesser works it references, or from its relationship to momentarily salient, but ultimately transient, matters of fashion. A work's political, cultural and technical significance at the time of authorship can overshadow deeper and more lasting themes. So who knows what, exactly? I don't. But I'd put solid money on there being something from our time two centuries hence.

And, after all, what does Murray mean by survive? It's all digital. It will all survive. Thirty seven people in 2203 will listen to Kylie Minogue and love it.

  • Yes, but we still haven’t captured bin Laden.

  • Weir

    Closing this single, high-profile labyrinth is a smoke screen for leaving the other labyrinths up and running world-wide. Once again, typical spin from this White House, more interested in appearance than reality, and in point-scoring than actual change.

  • Matt W

    So what’s your position on the age old question:
    http://www.ugo.com/movies/minotaur-vs-centaur/

  • Good one. Laura Krafft (the blonde woman) is very funny. I took an improv class from her once, out here in Los Angeles.

  • uknowbetter

    I actually think that is more moral than what Obama and Bush have been doing to people who choose to get high with a drug less dangerous than alcohol.

    They might not put terrorist suspects into prison with minotaurs who will kill them, but they do put marijuana users into prison with rapists who will rape them.

    That sure sounds like ‘torture’ to me. I say we prosecute both Obama and Bush.